Newcastle Footy thread

[JMascis666]

Holy shit. I've never come on to the forum before and I cannot believe how much abuse there is floating around for the manager and the players. So-called supporters wanting us to lose, repeated c**t name calling, plans to give the manager 'both barrells' on Tuesday night etc. I just can't fathom how people cannot see any positives in anything. I can imagine you all sat in the dark room with a pile of tabloids, rocking back and forth, frothing at the mouth. Why can't we just get behind the team?

Because we all got right behind the team only for them to shaft us repeatedly over the last few years and we are sick off it.

- Sick of all the lies from the manager.

- Sick of all the distain the manager as shown towards us.

- Sick of similar distain towards us from the board room.

- Sick of the same f*cking mistakes costing us dearly every season and nothing been done about it.

- Sick of being two goals ahead of Spurs on not one, not two, but THREE f*cking occasions in the last few years only to not win a single one of these matches.

- Sick of paying four figure sums for a season ticket and getting a shabby product in return.

- Sick of beating Chelski at home one week and then f*cking up against Wigan a few days later

- Sick of being told fourth is as good as a trophy

- Sick of seeing our best players wanting to leave because they know Arsenal have no ambition

Otherwise everything is absolutely fecking perfect, I can't wait to cheer on a bunch of wastrels (with a few notable exceptions) who earn five figure sums on a weekly basis as they battle to mediocrity.

[bunch]

Today we showed the same failings in attack as ever, slow build up, we allow them to get back in to defend almost as it we think it unfair to score if all their defenders aren't back in place. Gervihno has some pace but the ball keeps getting stuck under his feet. And he slowed down a number of quick breaks by having a face-off with the full back when he needed to either shoot or get a ball in.

Song is an idiot.

Joey Barton can still start a fight in a room on his own, but I would say he was probably the most influential player on the pitch.

Barton should have gone for grabbing Gervihno, but then Song should have gone for stamping. So evens there. I think both were missed by the ref, and while the assistant ref may have seen Barton misdemeanor, by the time he spoke to the assistants he had already given out the punishment.

Gervihno deserved a red, but I am mystified by the ref's selective vision.

The defending looked good. Tommy V and Kos could be a decent partnership if they stay fit. Scz reads the game and reats well, snuffed out any over the top balls that our high defensive line invites. Gibbs is the weak link. But lets be clear, Newcastle aren't a top draw attacking threat so we'll see. The bindippers will provide a decent test there.

Overall, nothing to suggest that my thoughts on the season ahead are wrong:
- we won't be challenging for the title
- we will finish 4th or 5th

"Spend some fucking money" came over loud and clear so well done again to the travelling gooners.

[cameron326]

haha. This forum is so OTT. There is not one team in the league that would not consider an opening day game at St James Park as a tough fixture. We largely dominated the game. Up front we lacked spark but at the back we were very solid. Gibbs and Koscielny both had decent games. Vermaelen and Scez looked commanding.

Had RVP been a bit more with it we might well have nicked a goal and won the game - but he looked out of sorts. I think we really need another striker. I would make a proven striker a priority with the Cesc and Nasri money. RVP + Chamakh + Gervinho is not enough firepower even when all are fit, let alone when one or two get injured or suspended.


We defintely need one or two more signings - I fully support the chants there - but there's still time. I don't get the endless negativity. It was a tough opening fixture and the players gave a good solid performance against a team set up to defend (we only had two or three dangerous moments but that was two or three more than the home side enjoyed as they set out very defensively).

[cameron326]

I can't wait to cheer on a bunch of wastrels (with a few notable exceptions) who earn five figure sums on a weekly basis as they battle to mediocrity

It's a fair point, but one that can be equally directed at every team in the league with the possible exception of Man Utd (due to their consistent success). Players at Newcastle, Vlla, Everton, Spurs, Fulham, Sunderland are all getting five figure weekly wages. Our "wastrels" finish above them season after season.

I think the money in the game is excessive too, but the fact is that we have around the 4th higest wage bill in the league and consistently finish 3rd or 4th. Go figure.

[Deise Gooner]

The real problem with the team is that we look to Cesc to create much of our chances and witout him in our team there is no creativity and anything we create is down the wing. That leads directly to another one of our glaring weaknesses and that is getting men on the end of crosses, it is so frustrating to see a ball float into the box and all our players stood at the edge of the penalty area. You think by now after however many years of playing football that crosses go into the box so fucking run in and try to put your head to it you *word censored*

[cameron326]

Antgel

Now I'll get called a rose-tinter / AKB / Jew c**t / whatever. I don't really care because I'm not, and my conscience is clear. I am as pissed off as anybody about the state of the club, and it will be a few years before we challenge for the league again, barring miracles. Maybe a change of manager will help, maybe it won't (see above re 1976). And there is room to make discontent known.

But calling someone who has brought us unprecedented success a c**t, wanker, etc blah blah, is totally classless, inaccurate, and it isn't in the true Arsenal spirit. With some on here defending the chav scum Joey Barton, I can see how extreme sections of our support have become, and next time we have a debate about the club losing its class (via commercialization), maybe we should take a look in the mirror.

Well said!

[TeeCee]

the best we can hope for is that some of our more promising players continue to develop and we can build on it.

Wrong, the best we can hope for is that Wenger fucks right off. This club is heading nowhere under this so called manager and if the mountain of lies and bullshit, not to mention the negligence, haven't hit you yet then sorry guys, you really are in denial.
Wenger has not addressed the major issues in the squad for the umpteenth year running, there are no more excuses, no more bullshit, no more spin. We are witnessing very poor management, from the pathetic handling of players contracts - ie: rewarding poor players with extensions/improved terms, to letting others contracts run out, to total lack of tactics, no plan B, poor substitutions........blah blah blah.
It's no wonder people call him names, I've never known a manager treat a club and it's fans like this in my 40 odd years of watching footy!

[franksav63]

Bloody hell, the only thing missing from the above passionate pleas is the boring trotted out line of ''be careful what you wish for'', money is obviously there for Wenger otherwise he wouldn't be purchasing (again) young unproven players, it's not alot to ask for is to get experienced players in to improve the team NOW.... and yes, I would call Wenger a *word censored* to his face.

[bunch]

But calling someone who has brought us unprecedented success a c**t, wanker, etc blah blah, is totally classless, inaccurate, and it isn't in the true Arsenal spirit. With some on here defending the chav scum Joey Barton, I can see how extreme sections of our support have become, and next time we have a debate about the club losing its class (via commercialization), maybe we should take a look in the mirror.

Enjoy the season if you can stand to watch it, you hard-done-by lot. The way I see it (not that you will care as I'm not in the c**t-calling brigade) is that it will be a toughie, and the best we can hope for is that some of our more promising players continue to develop and we can build on it.

Don't agree with calling AW a c**t but I also don't agree with unprecendented success. A lot of success in his early years, yes. Unprecedented, no. Success is winning trophies, not finishing second (or third or fourth). If we don't ever win the trophies we are just bit part players in the story of ManU's, Chelski's and Barca's success stories. That is not good enough for this club.

[psychoangus]

Personally I think the defence did well, we won most of the midfield battle, it was RVPs control letting him down from the Arshavin chip and Arshavin's poor ball when Gervinho was clean through that were two easy chances we fucked.

If you raise your hands you will be sent off. Exactly how fucking brain-dead do you have to be to let yourself do that?

[Glitch33]

Holy shit. I've never come on to the forum before and I cannot believe how much abuse there is floating around for the manager and the players. So-called supporters wanting us to lose, repeated c**t name calling, plans to give the manager 'both barrells' on Tuesday night etc. I just can't fathom how people cannot see any positives in anything. I can imagine you all sat in the dark room with a pile of tabloids, rocking back and forth, frothing at the mouth. Why can't we just get behind the team?

Because we all got right behind the team only for them to shaft us repeatedly over the last few years and we are sick off it.

- Sick of all the lies from the manager.

- Sick of all the distain the manager as shown towards us.

- Sick of similar distain towards us from the board room.

- Sick of the same f*cking mistakes costing us dearly every season and nothing been done about it.

- Sick of being two goals ahead of Spurs on not one, not two, but THREE f*cking occasions in the last few years only to not win a single one of these matches.

- Sick of paying four figure sums for a season ticket and getting a shabby product in return.

- Sick of beating Chelski at home one week and then f*cking up against Wigan a few days later

- Sick of being told fourth is as good as a trophy

- Sick of seeing our best players wanting to leave because they know Arsenal have no ambition

Otherwise everything is absolutely fecking perfect, I can't wait to cheer on a bunch of wastrels (with a few notable exceptions) who earn five figure sums on a weekly basis as they battle to mediocrity.

You are clearly not feeling well.

I think it's contagious though as I have exactly the same symptoms.

[BournemouthRED]

Personally I think the defence did well, we won most of the midfield battle, it was RVPs control letting him down from the Arshavin chip and Arshavin's poor ball when Gervinho was clean through that were two easy chances we fucked.

If you raise your hands you will be sent off. Exactly how fucking brain-dead do you have to be to let yourself do that?

Agreed. Defence did well IMO! (I was expecting the worse) we missed creativity, hardly surprising when you take out wilshere fabs and nasri!

[bradders]

Wenger has only himself to blame for the fans turning against him. Wenger has his head far to far up his own backside, he just cant see the faults his stubbornness is causing the team..

There is absolutely NO EXCUSE to let the Cesc & Nasri saga ruin Arsenal's pre-season plans,it seems everyone apart from Wenger knew they were leaving. To be one game into the new season and still have no replacements in is unforgivable, you are a fucking joke Wenger!!..

[I Hate Hleb]

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I agree completely, and that's why it's hard to read the forum, despite it being the best option out there. I have to assume that most of these people wouldn't say it to Arsene's face in a private conversation, so why say it from behind a keyboard?

Options:
1. mikeyb and 1989 are letting out anger and depression at their own shit lives.
2. mikeyb and 1989 think it's cool to call people c**ts.
3. mikeyb and 1989 think it's hard to call people c**ts.
4. People see mikeyb and 1989 calling people c**ts, and it gives them a sense of community to join the c**t-calling.
5. mikeyb and 1989 think in black and white because it's simpler (legend or c**t)..

Fixed that for you.

Now I'll get called a rose-tinter / AKB / Jew c**t / whatever. I don't really care because I'm not, and my conscience is clear. I am as pissed off as anybody about the state of the club, and it will be a few years before we challenge for the league again, barring miracles. Maybe a change of manager will help, maybe it won't (see above re 1976). And there is room to make discontent known.

But calling someone who has brought us unprecedented success a c**t, wanker, etc blah blah, is totally classless, inaccurate, and it isn't in the true Arsenal spirit. With some on here defending the chav scum Joey Barton, I can see how extreme sections of our support have become, and next time we have a debate about the club losing its class (via commercialization), maybe we should take a look in the mirror.

Enjoy the season if you can stand to watch it, you hard-done-by lot. The way I see it (not that you will care as I'm not in the c**t-calling brigade) is that it will be a toughie, and the best we can hope for is that some of our more promising players continue to develop and we can build on it.

Sorry mate but in all my time here no-one has ever been called that, so why would you assume you would be? What has being Jewish got to do with anything people are complaining about? You've made a lot of strong points but unfortunately they've lost a lot of their impact and value with the kind of exaggerated and unacceptable accusation you're reprimanding others for!

[antgel]

Sorry mate but in all my time here no-one has ever been called that, so why would you assume you would be? What has being Jewish got to do with anything people are complaining about? You've made a lot of strong points but unfortunately they've lost a lot of their impact and value with the kind of exaggerated and unacceptable accusation you're reprimanding others for!

You're right to a point and I apologise for being too extreme. But **** *word censored* is bandied around here a lot by people who like to claim that there's a big difference - standing in my shoes it's utterly painful. I'm not up for re-opening the debate with those who say "well they call themselves ****" as without being one I can kind of understand.

The fact is that the only anti-Semitism I have seen in my life has come from fellow Gooners, so perhaps I have a chip on my shoulder, and I hold my hands up. (In particular in The Gunners pub in the Lehman vs Villareal semi-final, and various away trips, "memorably" Juventus.)

I have also picked up abuse in the past for disagreeing with the *word censored*-callers, which is ironic as their point is that they have every right to voice their opinion, but don't give the same respect to those that disagree.

Again, apologies for my over-reaction, I'm a proud Gooner but when you have heard things that make you want to send your ST back to the club, it can be difficult.

But the *word censored* comments still stand.