board and Kronke out, Usmanov in........

GunnerTino · Post by **GunnerTino** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:29 pm

All Wenger's philosophy has done is turn us
into a stepping stone club Stevie,yeah great
bring in young unheard of talent,then have them
fuck you off when say Man City,Chelsea,R.Madrid,
Barca etc come calling.
Fucking top philosophy!

Shellshock · Post by **Shellshock** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:31 pm

GunnerTino wrote:Wenger and the board singing from the same
hymn sheet. While we still qualify for the CL then
all is ok,Wenger seems pretty happy with finishing
4th and if we get thru to knockout stages of CL maybe
even last 8 then happy days,he's done his job.

If you can't buy the best players than it's almost certain that you won't achieve the best position. That's the way it works these days. Arsenal are now firmly in Division 2 of the Premier League. Liverpool are clearly spending to try and take over Arsenal's 4th spot - how much debt is that going to rack up for them ? It's the same in any of the leagues, whether Premier League or Evo Stik Southern League = if you can't afford the wages, then by and large you don't win the silverware. Difficult to see where Arsenal's next title is coming from. We're back to the 50s,60 and 70s.

SS

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:33 pm

TeeCee wrote:Jesus Christ some people are deluded.
So the board can force players to sign new contracts?
You must have missed it bud, Gazidis confirmed that Wenger has the final say on Transfers.

Forget money and signings. There is not a more incompetent manager in the PL than Wenger.
In 40 years of watching Arsenal I have never seen a manager so devoid of tactics and basic technical football knowledge.
Wengers management is both shocking and incompetent. The board are definitely partly to blame, for backing Wenger if nothing else.
Our whole club is in deep deep shit and we are just 3 days away from passing the point of no return. Arsenal will be out of the CL next season and I honestly don't know when we can get back in, it will probably be years.

Your talking out your chad, I've been supporting The Arsenal since 84, I'm only 34 and have seen worse managers tactically manage the Arsenal than Wenger Bruce Rioch !!

TeeCee · Post by **TeeCee** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:33 pm

Arsenal can't afford to pay top wages because we pay average players like Bendtner, Diaby, Rosicky etc 50k + a week. It is Wengers philosophy to keep wages similar throughout the squad.

GunnerTino · Post by **GunnerTino** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:36 pm

Shellshock wrote:
GunnerTino wrote:Wenger and the board singing from the same
hymn sheet. While we still qualify for the CL then
all is ok,Wenger seems pretty happy with finishing
4th and if we get thru to knockout stages of CL maybe
even last 8 then happy days,he's done his job.

If you can't buy the best players than it's almost certain that you won't achieve the best position. That's the way it works these days. Arsenal are now firmly in Division 2 of the Premier League. Liverpool are clearly spending to try and take over Arsenal's 4th spot - how much debt is that going to rack up for them ? It's the same in any of the leagues, whether Premier League or Evo Stik Southern League = if you can't afford the wages, then by and large you don't win the silverware. Difficult to see where Arsenal's next title is coming from. We're back to the 50s,60 and 70s.

SS

Thing is tho we do pay good wages,far too much in ratio
to quality,plus Wenger has spent a few bob but he's spent it on shite!

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:37 pm

GunnerTino wrote:All Wenger's philosophy has done is turn us
into a stepping stone club Stevie,yeah great
bring in young unheard of talent,then have them
fuck you off when say Man City,Chelsea,R.Madrid,
Barca etc come calling.
Fucking top philosophy!

I agree this is why we need a strong board who will turn round and say bollocks to that philosophy, and if wenger wants it that way then he can go as well we need a board with ambition!! And if the manager has none then we need a manager that does but the start is with the board without an ambitious board we are fucked.

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:39 pm

GunnerTino wrote:
Shellshock wrote:
GunnerTino wrote:Wenger and the board singing from the same
hymn sheet. While we still qualify for the CL then
all is ok,Wenger seems pretty happy with finishing
4th and if we get thru to knockout stages of CL maybe
even last 8 then happy days,he's done his job.

If you can't buy the best players than it's almost certain that you won't achieve the best position. That's the way it works these days. Arsenal are now firmly in Division 2 of the Premier League. Liverpool are clearly spending to try and take over Arsenal's 4th spot - how much debt is that going to rack up for them ? It's the same in any of the leagues, whether Premier League or Evo Stik Southern League = if you can't afford the wages, then by and large you don't win the silverware. Difficult to see where Arsenal's next title is coming from. We're back to the 50s,60 and 70s.

SS
Thing is tho we do pay good wages,far too much in ratio
to quality,plus Wenger has spent a few bob but he's spent it on shite!

True bendtner is the first case of this argument along with almunia, squillaci, denilson ect, he does need to cut the shit from the team however nobody bloody wants them!

Supamac · Post by **Supamac** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:45 pm

I agree with the original post.

Today Wenger was trying to play top class football, without top class players and look what happened - worst day in our 125yr history!

Wenger has questions to answer, plenty of them, today was just naive, he should have known better, but Wenger isnt only one at the club. Yes, the main man, but what have the board done? Nothing! Kronke is only good for keeping the status quo, and in fact he may well struggle to do that!

Silent Stan OUT - Get the Russian in and let Wenger spend his rubels! or our decline will continue

Jumpers For Goalposts · Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:47 pm

Steviegooner wrote:
True bendtner is the first case of this argument along with almunia, squillaci, denilson ect, he does need to cut the shit from the team however nobody bloody wants them!

I don't agree with that one Stevie mate.

Plenty of clubs would want Bender and co - just not top clubs though! The problem is that Wenger pays them way too much and these wages cannot or will not be matched by the clubs that would want these players. Consequently shite players like these would rather stay and pick up Â£3million a year than go to Stoke or Racing Santander on at least a 50 % lower salary.

Once again that is down to Wenger. He over-rewards average players, tells them they're world beaters when they're nothing of the sort.

That's why Ferguson keeps picking up silverware and we keep picking up cheap shit from France and Africa.

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:50 pm

Maybe we could have a fight like in rocky IV to settle it russia vs america kronke vs usmanov my moneys on Usmanov to nut kronke smash his glasses and get the ten count!

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:54 pm

Jumpers For Goalposts wrote:
Steviegooner wrote:
True bendtner is the first case of this argument along with almunia, squillaci, denilson ect, he does need to cut the shit from the team however nobody bloody wants them!
I don't agree with that one Stevie mate.

Plenty of clubs would want Bender and co - just not top clubs though! The problem is that Wenger pays them way too much and these wages cannot or will not be matched by the clubs that would want these players. Consequently shite players like these would rather stay and pick up Â£3million a year than go to Stoke or Racing Santander on at least a 50 % lower salary.

Once again that is down to Wenger. He over-rewards average players, tells them they're world beaters when they're nothing of the sort.

That's why Ferguson keeps picking up silverware and we keep picking up cheap shit from France and Africa.

That's what I mean when I say no clubs want them why would they leave for racing santander or stoke when they have egos as big as bendtners they can sit there on 3 mill and still be at one of the top clubs in Europe which they truly are not good enough for, agreed though that is our managers fault.

charliegeorgewhocanhitem · Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:55 pm

Steviegooner wrote:
TeeCee wrote:Jesus Christ some people are deluded.
So the board can force players to sign new contracts?
You must have missed it bud, Gazidis confirmed that Wenger has the final say on Transfers.

Forget money and signings. There is not a more incompetent manager in the PL than Wenger.
In 40 years of watching Arsenal I have never seen a manager so devoid of tactics and basic technical football knowledge.
Wengers management is both shocking and incompetent. The board are definitely partly to blame, for backing Wenger if nothing else.
Our whole club is in deep deep shit and we are just 3 days away from passing the point of no return. Arsenal will be out of the CL next season and I honestly don't know when we can get back in, it will probably be years.
Your talking out your chad, I've been supporting The Arsenal since 84, I'm only 34 and have seen worse managers tactically manage the Arsenal than Wenger Bruce Rioch !!

Rioch got us into the UEFA cup with a 5th place finish, similar to what Wenger has nowadys decreed a "succesful" season and he signed Denis Bergkamp so it was'nt all that bad

Steviegooner · Post by **Steviegooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 7:58 pm

charliegeorgewhocanhitem wrote:
Steviegooner wrote:
TeeCee wrote:Jesus Christ some people are deluded.
So the board can force players to sign new contracts?
You must have missed it bud, Gazidis confirmed that Wenger has the final say on Transfers.

Forget money and signings. There is not a more incompetent manager in the PL than Wenger.
In 40 years of watching Arsenal I have never seen a manager so devoid of tactics and basic technical football knowledge.
Wengers management is both shocking and incompetent. The board are definitely partly to blame, for backing Wenger if nothing else.
Our whole club is in deep deep shit and we are just 3 days away from passing the point of no return. Arsenal will be out of the CL next season and I honestly don't know when we can get back in, it will probably be years.
Your talking out your chad, I've been supporting The Arsenal since 84, I'm only 34 and have seen worse managers tactically manage the Arsenal than Wenger Bruce Rioch !!
Rioch got us into the UEFA cup with a 5th place finish, similar to what Wenger has nowadys decreed a "succesful" season and he signed Denis Bergkamp so it was'nt all that bad

Granted ill give him bergkamp but wenger gave more and was tactically a better manager

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:08 pm

Steviegooner wrote:
charliegeorgewhocanhitem wrote:
Steviegooner wrote:
TeeCee wrote:Jesus Christ some people are deluded.
So the board can force players to sign new contracts?
You must have missed it bud, Gazidis confirmed that Wenger has the final say on Transfers.

Forget money and signings. There is not a more incompetent manager in the PL than Wenger.
In 40 years of watching Arsenal I have never seen a manager so devoid of tactics and basic technical football knowledge.
Wengers management is both shocking and incompetent. The board are definitely partly to blame, for backing Wenger if nothing else.
Our whole club is in deep deep shit and we are just 3 days away from passing the point of no return. Arsenal will be out of the CL next season and I honestly don't know when we can get back in, it will probably be years.
Your talking out your chad, I've been supporting The Arsenal since 84, I'm only 34 and have seen worse managers tactically manage the Arsenal than Wenger Bruce Rioch !!
Rioch got us into the UEFA cup with a 5th place finish, similar to what Wenger has nowadys decreed a "succesful" season and he signed Denis Bergkamp so it was'nt all that bad
Granted ill give him bergkamp but wenger gave more and was tactically a better manager

Wenger and tactics in the same sentence and in a postive form, I never thought I'd see the day..... Are you the visually impaired part of the Peters and Lee tribute band....

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:27 pm

Regardless of how much money there is to spend, we cannot defend properly.

Keown coached a good defence in 2005 - 2008 but was not asked back.

Why not?

Did the board, or did Wenger, decide not to re-hire him?