board and Kronke out, Usmanov in........

Wengerball · Post by **Wengerball** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:19 pm

SteveO 35 wrote:I think its fantastic that people are finally waking up to the fact that Usmanov is not the root of all evil.

I listened to so much crap about if he took over it would be the end of the world, would leave us bankrupt etc. Err, I don't think so.

Chelsea FC is a debt free business contrary to what many believe. The Russian simply converts the outstanding loans into equity at the end of each year.

Usmanov would not be leveraging the club with debt. Given his personal wealth ask yourself why he would saddle the club with high interest bearing debt....err, he wouldn't.

And we might all get some enjoyment back by watching players of the required calibre to get the club back into the domestic honours and dare I say it "competing with Europe's elite". Dein, for a decade the chief deal broker in English football would return to the board, and Gazidis and his additional Â£9m in annual wage costs would slope off back to some other "franchise" where he could bore their customers and shareholders with tales of 'rising input costs, macro economic factors and inflationary pressures' whilst offering a patronising smile and mock empathy to us poor, average Joes on the street.

Nope - we'll be waiting for Chelsea, United and City to go bust through their financial doping whilst competing with Villa and Newcastle for a top half finish. But hey at least we'll be "self sustaining"

Usmanov is not the root of all evil- he would be ruthless yes but that is what we sorely lack at all levels at Arsenal at the moment.
The GIC is happy for his project to continue and the Silent Stan is happy for the money to roll in.

You know even if we didnt win anything for a while I could still live with that if I knew we could bring something fresh and exciting to the club.
If it had been Usmanov in charge this summer I believe he would have sacked Our Dear Leader and paid the big money to get AVB.
Look at the Chavs- they arent top of the league but they have an exciting young manager and a team that is playing a quality brand of football.

Look at Fergie, the greatest manager of the modern era, after losing against Barca twice he has embraced changing his philosophy and it has worked out pretty well for him. Arsene has gone stale because he hasnt changed with the times.

So yes I would back Usmanov to take over the club 100% if he would inject some of the pride and excitement back into the Arsenal.
Sadly I cant see it and I feel we will be stuck with Wengers stuborness for some time- they may even give him a new contract as a sign of faith

biglunn · Post by **biglunn** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:21 pm

The current state of affairs in terms of the (lack of) footballing performance may actually help Usmanov in a potential takeover.

There is no way Kroenke can justify an inflated share price if he sold up with the clubs current standing - especially with a markedly lower profits with the lack of CL football, and half empty stadium.

I was dead against Usmanov taking over, but with the shower of shit that currently runs the club, it can only be an improvement.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:45 pm

No point assuming that if Usmanov took over right now Wenger would be sacked.

My guess is Usmanov would install Dein in a senior position.

I think that would strengthen us in the transfer market as Dein seldom seemed to be outmaneuvered in negotiations.
Dein might even be able to suggest coaching modifications, as he appeared to have Wenger's ear?

But remember that it was Dein who brought Wenger to the club, and who publicly supported him last month.

Those people wanting immediate radical change are likely to be disappointed.

Red Member · Post by **Red Member** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:50 pm

I would be delighted with Usmanov's millions, and Dein and Wenger back working together. It is the only way this club will be able to compete for the title in the next decade

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:05 pm

If it were possible would anyone prefer to financially compete WITHOUT a single owner?

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:17 pm

[definatly usmanov in. i understand he has a chequerd past but ALL REAL arsenal fans now want him in]

So if I don't want Usmanov in I'm not a REAL fan. That's nonsense (though I'm sure George 'if you're not with us you're against us' Bush would be proud of the logic)

I agree that the Board should be held to account, but we shouldn't pretend we know Usmanov's objectives or motivation. Plenty of people were happy that billionaire Stan was taking over.

Evidence suggests that billionaires buy playthings and don't give a toss about anybody else.
Be careful what you wish for.[/quote]

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:19 pm

SpanishJoe wrote:[definatly usmanov in. i understand he has a chequerd past but ALL REAL arsenal fans now want him in]

So if I don't want Usmanov in I'm not a REAL fan. That's nonsense (though I'm sure George 'if you're not with us you're against us' Bush would be proud of the logic)

I agree that the Board should be held to account, but we shouldn't pretend we know Usmanov's objectives or motivation. Plenty of people were happy that billionaire Stan was taking over.

Evidence suggests that billionaires buy playthings and don't give a toss about anybody else.
Be careful what you wish for.

[/quote]Isn't Usmanov a manU fan as well?

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:00 pm

Boomer wrote:If it were possible would anyone prefer to financially compete WITHOUT a single owner?

I have no objection to a single owner.

I do have objection to reliance on a single owner, who if he or she take their money away the club's competitive edge collapses like a house of cards.

Boomer · Post by **Boomer** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:04 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:If it were possible would anyone prefer to financially compete WITHOUT a single owner?
I have no objection to a single owner.

I do have objection to reliance on a single owner, who if he or she take their money away the club's competitive edge collapses like a house of cards.

Thanks but didn't answer my question if you would still be not having an usmanov or Kronke type.

LDB · Post by **LDB** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:17 pm

QuartzGooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:If it were possible would anyone prefer to financially compete WITHOUT a single owner?
I have no objection to a single owner.

I do have objection to reliance on a single owner, who if he or she take their money away the club's competitive edge collapses like a house of cards.

Well thank god our competitive edge is razor sharp at the moment

Back to the original post, tbh mate these arguments only held any water when we were actually outperforming everyone but the sugar daddies and the manc juggernaut, which in financial terms is our "par" level. Go over the last 6 months results including last season and this season and we're performing at the level of relegation fodder. We're now behind a spurs side that has not even half our wage bill.

How you can think this is all down to the "board" (which no longer holds much relevance but never mind) is beyond me. I would stake my house that most competent experienced managers could drastically increase this teams performance even without additions through simply building from the back and recognising that we're no longer good enough to pass sides to death in their own half.

Wenger is finished and past his sell-by date. It happens to most and theres no shame really but please lets get him out before our problems get worse and harder to fix.

Post by **QuartzGooner** » Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:43 pm

LDB wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
Boomer wrote:If it were possible would anyone prefer to financially compete WITHOUT a single owner?
I have no objection to a single owner.

I do have objection to reliance on a single owner, who if he or she take their money away the club's competitive edge collapses like a house of cards.
Well thank god our competitive edge is razor sharp at the moment

Back to the original post, tbh mate these arguments only held any water when we were actually outperforming everyone but the sugar daddies and the manc juggernaut, which in financial terms is our "par" level. Go over the last 6 months results including last season and this season and we're performing at the level of relegation fodder. We're now behind a spurs side that has not even half our wage bill.

How you can think this is all down to the "board" (which no longer holds much relevance but never mind) is beyond me. I would stake my house that most competent experienced managers could drastically increase this teams performance even without additions through simply building from the back and recognising that we're no longer good enough to pass sides to death in their own half.

Wenger is finished and past his sell-by date. It happens to most and theres no shame really but please lets get him out before our problems get worse and harder to fix.

We are financially stable.
We have a chance to re-negotiate sponsorship deals in two season's time.
We should not rip them up and re-negotiate them now, as we need to climb up the league first!

We are weak on the pitch. But will improve this season, though top four is a doubt.

Ownership model is OK, the manager is not.

Almunia is a clown · Post by **Almunia is a clown** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:46 am

Where's all the stupid sheep / Red Action / Clubs bitches & their anti Usmanov banners nowadays????

Get rid of the Yank, he has done fuck all since he arrived, & the club is going into free fall without leadership both on & off the pitch

Percy Dalton · Post by **Percy Dalton** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:53 am

That RedAction banner was the most idiotic thing ever!

You try getting in a banner that reads 'Hate Wenger or 'Hate Kroenke' and see how far you get not being the clubs plaything.

It won't be long until the programme states that the words '6% you're having laugh' is deemed as threatening behaviour and anyone singing it should be reported on the TextaGrass number!

:finger:

Post by **flash gunner** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:55 am

Almunia is a clown wrote:Where's all the stupid sheep / Red Action / Clubs bitches & their anti Usmanov banners nowadays????

Get rid of the Yank, he has done fuck all since he arrived, & the club is going into free fall without leadership both on & off the pitch

Have to say that banner and the pro Wenger march were 2 things that lost all credibility for redAction in my eyes

augie · Post by **augie** » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:36 am

Boomer wrote:
SpanishJoe wrote:[definatly usmanov in. i understand he has a chequerd past but ALL REAL arsenal fans now want him in]

So if I don't want Usmanov in I'm not a REAL fan. That's nonsense (though I'm sure George 'if you're not with us you're against us' Bush would be proud of the logic)

I agree that the Board should be held to account, but we shouldn't pretend we know Usmanov's objectives or motivation. Plenty of people were happy that billionaire Stan was taking over.

Evidence suggests that billionaires buy playthings and don't give a toss about anybody else.
Be careful what you wish for.

Isn't Usmanov a manU fan as well?

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And wasnt the merse a chav fan growing up ? And didnt sol used to play for the scum down the road ? And wasnt TA6 a shammers man before joining us ? To be honest boomer I couldnt give a flying fcuk if usmanov was a manc fan or not......job performance when working for our club should be the only thing that matterss

Also totally agree with percy and flash's comments on the anti usmanov banner displayed by redaction - for me I dont think there is a single defence argument that they can put up for that action that will contradict the belief that they are in the clubs pocket

Until they actually start publicly opposing the club on any real issue's in a serious meaningful way then that perception of them will remain