The problem isn't just money I feel. Whenever the team fucks up on the pitch the manage just gently scolds the players, give them milk and cookies and sends them to bed. Other managers smack their ass and send them to bed without dinner. Once Citeh scored it felt like the fight was taken out from us, RvP and Tommy V chances aside.
Despite our good run of late, most of the time we will bottle it for the big games, and it just shows that lack of fight or desire then.
Whats the point anymore, money's ruined everything.
Cesc said as much in a recent 4-4-2 interview when he said that our players are not being put under pressure to get results and are not held accountable for their performances. He also said that making excuses about the age of the team etc doesnt help the team either and cant say that I disagree with him on either point
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stevedagooner
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my point is not the amount of money city have been given and the wages they pay but the fact that they can basically pick off the star names of other clubs so as to weaken the challengers around them. not only is it weakening the opposition but its denying you and i as football supporters the chance to see decent quality players every week. how long before they will be knocking at the door for van persie,wilshere oxlaide chamberlain and alike. i know certain squad restrictions were put in place a short time ago but these seriously need looking at again. with the power city hold they are being allowed to change the whole structure of the game. on another point how can it be allowed that players can be loaned to other premiership sides for season long loans with the parent club picking up the vast majority of their wages. i thought the idea of this was to give the young emerging talent a chance of first team football,
But the point is, Arsenal are quite capable of paying 150k a week to top players, but we can't because Wenger's policy of keeping the whole squad on similar money, for so called 'squad harmony', is holding us back.
If we paid bigger wages to those who deserved it and less money to average players, then we could attract better players, and that along with 150k a week might KEEP some of our better players! Not everyone wants to go to City just for 250k a week because they know they won't play every week.
Arsenal (or more particularly Wenger), are the architects of their own downfall and that will not change under Wenger because he's not willing to change.
If we paid bigger wages to those who deserved it and less money to average players, then we could attract better players, and that along with 150k a week might KEEP some of our better players! Not everyone wants to go to City just for 250k a week because they know they won't play every week.
Arsenal (or more particularly Wenger), are the architects of their own downfall and that will not change under Wenger because he's not willing to change.
And the amazing thing is TeeCee that many a sheep goes along with this view. I didn't see much disruption to United's "squad harmony" on route to their 19th title and another CL final last year, despite the fact that at the start of the season Rooney managed to negotiate himself a deal that took his earnings beyond all his colleaguesTeeCee wrote:But the point is, Arsenal are quite capable of paying 150k a week to top players, but we can't because Wenger's policy of keeping the whole squad on similar money, for so called 'squad harmony', is holding us back.If we paid bigger wages to those who deserved it and less money to average players, then we could attract better players, and that along with 150k a week might KEEP some of our better players! Not everyone wants to go to City just for 250k a week because they know they won't play every week.
Arsenal (or more particularly Wenger), are the architects of their own downfall and that will not change under Wenger because he's not willing to change.
This bullshit argument I hear from certain people about "oh well if we signed x,y and z on 150k per week....then a,b and c from our current squad would want that too".
Bollocks to that, we have one player worth 150k per week and thats RvP. Wilshere, Walcott, TV5 all have their supporters but they are not in that 'elite' bracket that deserves that kind of pay packet. If you want the very best, then you need to pay those sort of wages. Get rid of Arshavin and Chamakh - that will put somewhere in the region of 130k per week back into the coffers and either award the bulk of it to RvP on a monster deal or sign a striker in the Benzema mould and give it to him
If we then have a handful of underachievers who suddenly think they should be on similar terms then lets see who else comes in offering them those sort of wages
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Interesting thread. Totally agree with the 2 guys above.SteveO 35 wrote:And the amazing thing is TeeCee that many a sheep goes along with this view. I didn't see much disruption to United's "squad harmony" on route to their 19th title and another CL final last year, despite the fact that at the start of the season Rooney managed to negotiate himself a deal that took his earnings beyond all his colleaguesTeeCee wrote:But the point is, Arsenal are quite capable of paying 150k a week to top players, but we can't because Wenger's policy of keeping the whole squad on similar money, for so called 'squad harmony', is holding us back.If we paid bigger wages to those who deserved it and less money to average players, then we could attract better players, and that along with 150k a week might KEEP some of our better players! Not everyone wants to go to City just for 250k a week because they know they won't play every week.
Arsenal (or more particularly Wenger), are the architects of their own downfall and that will not change under Wenger because he's not willing to change.
This bullshit argument I hear from certain people about "oh well if we signed x,y and z on 150k per week....then a,b and c from our current squad would want that too".
Bollocks to that, we have one player worth 150k per week and thats RvP. Wilshere, Walcott, TV5 all have their supporters but they are not in that 'elite' bracket that deserves that kind of pay packet. If you want the very best, then you need to pay those sort of wages. Get rid of Arshavin and Chamakh - that will put somewhere in the region of 130k per week back into the coffers and either award the bulk of it to RvP on a monster deal or sign a striker in the Benzema mould and give it to him
If we then have a handful of underachievers who suddenly think they should be on similar terms then lets see who else comes in offering them those sort of wages
Cesc has said it. Vieira has said it. RVP has said it. Even Diaby has said it. The problem, as a few posters have stated, is the complete lack of pressure at Arsenal and the biggest culprits are the fans. The players know they can deliver any half-arsed performance and there's no fear of consequences or a fan backlash.
Same goes for the pathetic manager who's all of a sudden safe in his job for victories against Wigan, Swansea, Norwich and WBA. Like the 8-2 never happened.
Excuses always being made.
In 2006 it was luck.
In 2007 it was injuries.
In 2008 it was youth and Eduardo.
In 2009 it was refs.
In 2010 it was Abramovich.
In 2011 it's been Pat Rice and Nasri
Heading into 2012 the trend is continuing, with Citeh being the latest excuse!
Funny how those same excuse makers not once point the finger where it belongs, at the incompetent overpaid manager. If its as simplistic as money, how does that explain the numerous humblings to Stoke, Brum, WBA, Spuds, Blackburn?! When Basle and Norwich can go to OT and outplay Manure, how are Citeh responsible for an 8-2 drubbing?
If money has ruined football, then Arsenal have been one of the biggest culprits. In 2004 Abramovich spent over £100 mil on players. Arsenal still won the league. It's a pathetic excuse making attitude.
FFS Spuds are competing for the title whilst our fans are bitching about money - whilst maintaining a wage bill over £40 mil higher than Spuds and charging their fans 30% more!!!
Embarrassing
Same goes for the pathetic manager who's all of a sudden safe in his job for victories against Wigan, Swansea, Norwich and WBA. Like the 8-2 never happened.
Excuses always being made.
In 2006 it was luck.
In 2007 it was injuries.
In 2008 it was youth and Eduardo.
In 2009 it was refs.
In 2010 it was Abramovich.
In 2011 it's been Pat Rice and Nasri
Heading into 2012 the trend is continuing, with Citeh being the latest excuse!
Funny how those same excuse makers not once point the finger where it belongs, at the incompetent overpaid manager. If its as simplistic as money, how does that explain the numerous humblings to Stoke, Brum, WBA, Spuds, Blackburn?! When Basle and Norwich can go to OT and outplay Manure, how are Citeh responsible for an 8-2 drubbing?
If money has ruined football, then Arsenal have been one of the biggest culprits. In 2004 Abramovich spent over £100 mil on players. Arsenal still won the league. It's a pathetic excuse making attitude.
FFS Spuds are competing for the title whilst our fans are bitching about money - whilst maintaining a wage bill over £40 mil higher than Spuds and charging their fans 30% more!!!
Embarrassing
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SpanishJoe
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Money in itself does not win leagues. Players do. But top money buys top players and this has always been the case.
Wigan,Fulham, Blackburn, Chelski and now (probably) Citeh have all bought their success. Even Man U over a number of years broke the British Transfer record.
You can always be lucky and buy top players on the cheap (us and Anelka) but with modern scouting networks this is becoming increasingly difficult. All top clubs now know about the under-13 at all other clubs.
Equally, clubs can spend fortunes on players who turn out to be crap (e.g. most Manure goalkeepers).
Tactics, heart, effort, character etc are all important but talent will nearly always be the determining factor.
I don't have a problem when Manure, Madrid, Barca etc spending big money. They're the big clubs so they should be buying the best players and it's natural that the best players should want to go to the top clubs.
What hacks me off is when clubs become the playthings of rich men. Chelski and now Citeh buy any decent player they can get their hands on, then, if they can buy a slightly better one, they discard the first one. They're vanity clubs and this destroys the passion and loyalty that was at the heart of most clubs.
Yes, money is the root of this current evil.
Wigan,Fulham, Blackburn, Chelski and now (probably) Citeh have all bought their success. Even Man U over a number of years broke the British Transfer record.
You can always be lucky and buy top players on the cheap (us and Anelka) but with modern scouting networks this is becoming increasingly difficult. All top clubs now know about the under-13 at all other clubs.
Equally, clubs can spend fortunes on players who turn out to be crap (e.g. most Manure goalkeepers).
Tactics, heart, effort, character etc are all important but talent will nearly always be the determining factor.
I don't have a problem when Manure, Madrid, Barca etc spending big money. They're the big clubs so they should be buying the best players and it's natural that the best players should want to go to the top clubs.
What hacks me off is when clubs become the playthings of rich men. Chelski and now Citeh buy any decent player they can get their hands on, then, if they can buy a slightly better one, they discard the first one. They're vanity clubs and this destroys the passion and loyalty that was at the heart of most clubs.
Yes, money is the root of this current evil.
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Babatunde wrote:Cesc has said it. Vieira has said it. RVP has said it. Even Diaby has said it. The problem, as a few posters have stated, is the complete lack of pressure at Arsenal and the biggest culprits are the fans. The players know they can deliver any half-arsed performance and there's no fear of consequences or a fan backlash.
Same goes for the pathetic manager who's all of a sudden safe in his job for victories against Wigan, Swansea, Norwich and WBA. Like the 8-2 never happened.
Excuses always being made.
In 2006 it was luck.
In 2007 it was injuries.
In 2008 it was youth and Eduardo.
In 2009 it was refs.
In 2010 it was Abramovich.
In 2011 it's been Pat Rice and Nasri
Heading into 2012 the trend is continuing, with Citeh being the latest excuse!
Funny how those same excuse makers not once point the finger where it belongs, at the incompetent overpaid manager. If its as simplistic as money, how does that explain the numerous humblings to Stoke, Brum, WBA, Spuds, Blackburn?! When Basle and Norwich can go to OT and outplay Manure, how are Citeh responsible for an 8-2 drubbing?
If money has ruined football, then Arsenal have been one of the biggest culprits. In 2004 Abramovich spent over £100 mil on players. Arsenal still won the league. It's a pathetic excuse making attitude.
FFS Spuds are competing for the title whilst our fans are bitching about money - whilst maintaining a wage bill over £40 mil higher than Spuds and charging their fans 30% more!!!
Embarrassing
no Spurs are not competing for the title. Stop reading The Sun.
they have beaten us and that is about it this season.
they lost 5-1 at home to Man City
we lost 1-0 away to Man City
stop mentioning the 2-8 it is an irrelevance.
our season is still alive because we sacrificed that match for the CL.
I can't help thinking that the likes of Wilshere, Ramsay, Gibbs, Frimpong and the rest of the talent coming through think that playing for Arsenal is the pinnacle of their career. Anything else is a bonus! I can't see them wanting to play for City , Utd or Barcelona. A result of this will be them putting in effort in every game and really playing for the Badge.
As much as I loved watching Vieira, Pires, Henry, Fabregas and Dennis play; they weren't English/British and they were tempted away (well Henry, Vieira and Fabregas) by the lure of playing for Barcelona and Inter and lavish lifestyle. Would a British player be tempted away- I'm not so sure.
As much as I loved watching Vieira, Pires, Henry, Fabregas and Dennis play; they weren't English/British and they were tempted away (well Henry, Vieira and Fabregas) by the lure of playing for Barcelona and Inter and lavish lifestyle. Would a British player be tempted away- I'm not so sure.
