Wolves game in doubt

[Percy Dalton]

Bob Crow is the leader of RMT.

ASLEF are proposing the tube drivers industrial action, not RMT.

Fine and point taken but Crow is responsible for the threat culture that runs deep throughout tube workers.

[frankbutcher]

Sorry but please let's not pity the tube drivers.

Yes, they do work unsociable hours for which they already get paid a premium.

As with any other responsible person, no they cannot drink before transporting the public around. And so?

If I make a serious error at work I can expect disciplinary action taken against me, as can you.

They have competence tests at work......similar to many industries.

Many people have to now work over Christmas and many have had to for years before, what's new?


You want to know the real difference..........

Bob Crow, the self-serving piece of shit who rakes in £100k a year plus before perks and still deems himself worthy of a council house and refuses to part with it due to a technicality.

Power to the people Bob that puts his birthday party in Mayfair on the company credit card!

Power to the workers, don't make me laugh! I am all for trade unions but this self-serving dinosaur could not give a fuck about solidarity brother.

The more strikes, the more publicity he puts on himself which the deluded think makes him some kind of demi-god and so his wages go up again!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crisy.html

Bob Crow is the leader of the RMT trade union.

ASLEF are the trade union proposing the tube driver industrial action, not RMT.

Anyone who is part of Bob Crow's membership will disagree with your comment about solidarity.

If being a tube driver is so easy and great, why are we all not jumping on the gravy train? Because the aptitude tests prove that only very few applicants possess the skills and abilites needed to do the job, thus justifying their salaries.

Mr Jardon. What is moralistic about being held to ransom repeatedly by the same people? We can't always have things how we want them in life. Tube drivers are paid well for what they do. They might not have the perfect job, but who does?????????????????????????????????????????????

Grow up, son, stop whinging and get on with life. Moaners get nowhere.

[hugh jardon]

Sorry but please let's not pity the tube drivers.

Yes, they do work unsociable hours for which they already get paid a premium.

As with any other responsible person, no they cannot drink before transporting the public around. And so?

If I make a serious error at work I can expect disciplinary action taken against me, as can you.

They have competence tests at work......similar to many industries.

Many people have to now work over Christmas and many have had to for years before, what's new?


You want to know the real difference..........

Bob Crow, the self-serving piece of shit who rakes in £100k a year plus before perks and still deems himself worthy of a council house and refuses to part with it due to a technicality.

Power to the people Bob that puts his birthday party in Mayfair on the company credit card!

Power to the workers, don't make me laugh! I am all for trade unions but this self-serving dinosaur could not give a fuck about solidarity brother.

The more strikes, the more publicity he puts on himself which the deluded think makes him some kind of demi-god and so his wages go up again!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... crisy.html

Bob Crow is the leader of the RMT trade union.

ASLEF are the trade union proposing the tube driver industrial action, not RMT.

Anyone who is part of Bob Crow's membership will disagree with your comment about solidarity.

If being a tube driver is so easy and great, why are we all not jumping on the gravy train? Because the aptitude tests prove that only very few applicants possess the skills and abilites needed to do the job, thus justifying their salaries.

Mr Jardon. What is moralistic about being held to ransom repeatedly by the same people? We can't always have things how we want them in life. Tube drivers are paid well for what they do. They might not have the perfect job, but who does?????????????????????????????????????????????

Grow up, son, stop whinging and get on with life. Moaners get nowhere.

Mr Butcher. Nobody is being held to ransom. The tube is not the only form of transport. Trains, buses, taxis, cars and motorcycles will be unaffected by the proposed industrial action.

I am not whinging, just merely offering an alternative and knowledgeable viewpoint to others previously offered.

I simply admire anyone who is willing to challange their employers in order to improve the lives of themselves and their loved ones. Not many people have the courage to do so.

[Percy Dalton]

The union said it wanted "adequate compensation" for working on 26 December and it wanted Tube drivers to be able to volunteer to work on such an "unsociable" day

So you take a job and the premium for working unsociable days and hours, then decide you do not like those days and hours and so call a strike that will bring the capital to a standstill over the holiday period.

And that is justified?



Where as the below seems more than reasonable to mosy knowledgable people......


An LU spokesman said an agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave.

As part of the agreement, Tube drivers have to work some public holidays, including Boxing Day.

LU said it had reduced the number of drivers needed to work on Boxing Day after Aslef raised the issue in 2010 and only a quarter of the 3,500 were needed on the day.




That salary, 43 days leave and they fucking moan?

[Number 5]

I simply admire anyone who is willing to challange their public sector employers in order to improve the lives of themselves and their loved ones.

Fixed that a little bit for you bud.

[hugh jardon]

The union said it wanted "adequate compensation" for working on 26 December and it wanted Tube drivers to be able to volunteer to work on such an "unsociable" day

So you take a job and the premium for working unsociable days and hours, then decide you do not like those days and hours and so call a strike that will bring the capital to a standstill over the holiday period.

And that is justified?



Where as the below seems more than reasonable to mosy knowledgable people......


An LU spokesman said an agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave.

As part of the agreement, Tube drivers have to work some public holidays, including Boxing Day.

LU said it had reduced the number of drivers needed to work on Boxing Day after Aslef raised the issue in 2010 and only a quarter of the 3,500 were needed on the day.




That salary, 43 days leave and they fucking moan?

The salary and leave days are indeed a good package. The membership is particularly strong as they will stick together and as already mentioned, not just anyone can become a tube driver.

For workers to take strike action is their absolute last resort after negotiations have been exhausted. The workers will lose pay by striking, they will obviously not want this to happen. If the LU and ASLEF can reach a mutually satisfactory agreement the proposed action will be immediately called off.

The only solution I can see is the LU going back into negotiate, which they are currently unwilling to do. So it could be argued the LU themselves are also to blame.

This week there will be a High Court hearing into the validity of the strike ballot which I will be interested to see the outcome of.

Strike action is a very immotive subject. It's too easy for people to jump on the bandwagon and say things along the lines of "It's a disgrace" or "Greedy bastards" without having a knowledge of the issues behind the disagreements.

[hugh jardon]

I simply admire anyone who is willing to challange their public sector employers in order to improve the lives of themselves and their loved ones.

Fixed that a little bit for you bud.

Private sector employees also take industrial action.

[olgitgooner]

The union said it wanted "adequate compensation" for working on 26 December and it wanted Tube drivers to be able to volunteer to work on such an "unsociable" day

So you take a job and the premium for working unsociable days and hours, then decide you do not like those days and hours and so call a strike that will bring the capital to a standstill over the holiday period.

And that is justified?



Where as the below seems more than reasonable to mosy knowledgable people......


An LU spokesman said an agreement in 1992 specified drivers would earn about £44,500, work a 35-hour week and have 43 days' leave.

As part of the agreement, Tube drivers have to work some public holidays, including Boxing Day.

LU said it had reduced the number of drivers needed to work on Boxing Day after Aslef raised the issue in 2010 and only a quarter of the 3,500 were needed on the day.




That salary, 43 days leave and they fucking moan?

Exactly this. These *word censored* are taking the piss. Big style.

Holding London to ransom. *word censored*

Quite honestly, you could train a monkey to drive a fucking tube train.

[hugh jardon]

Quite honestly, you could train a monkey to drive a fucking tube train.

[Number 5]

I simply admire anyone who is willing to challange their public sector employers in order to improve the lives of themselves and their loved ones.

Fixed that a little bit for you bud.

Private sector employees also take industrial action.

In as successful a way as their public sector counterparts following actions of employees that really don't suppport industrial action?

[TeeCee]

Quite honestly, you could train a monkey to drive a fucking tube train

Actually, you don't really need a driver at all......look at the DLR!! Mind you, if they tried to bring that in every fucker would strike!!
The problem is, the tube drivers want their cake and to eat it. They already get rewarded very well for unsociable hours. I also work unsociable hours and bank holidays and I get nothing at all extra for doing so other than a fixed shift allowance. Would I join a union? Would I fuck, socialist fucking scumbags.*










Tin hat on ready for the political discussions......

[hugh jardon]

I also work unsociable hours and bank holidays and I get nothing at all extra for doing so other than a fixed shift allowance

You should apply to be a LU tube driver

[QuartzGooner]

My mate is a Jubilee Line driver.

Well paid for sure, but the shifts are grim and the job is very boring, with little prospect of promotion, yet he has a huge responsibility because one error and he could de-rail in a tunnel, putting lives at risk.

Have spoken to him and he says the unions try it on, just greedy.

[StokeyGooner]

Tube train drivers already get fantastic wages for doing fuck all.

They do earn a fantastic wage but that is because of the responsibilty the job entails and the horrid working enviroment they are in. How much do you propose they should be paid and what justifies that amount?

How difficult is it to sit on your arse in a cab and do stopping and starting?

It is a very simple job but incredibly repetative and mundane, which can lead to errors. In the event of errors, drivers can be subject to disciplinary action.

The job does not just involve "stopping and starting" but working in appalling conditions, awful unsociable shifts, random drink and drug tests (meaning no beers the night before work), continual written and practical assessments, being expected to be able to remedy mechanical problems with the trains and being responsible for thousands of peoples safety every day.

You can't even take a wrong turn and end up in Dover. Fucking blackmailing bastards.

Drivers can accept an incorrect routing and head towards an incorrect station. It is their responsibility to ensure this does not happen.

Allegedly they are also getting a nice few bob extra just for not going on strike during the London Olympics.

Many companies are agreeing 2012 payrises to help prevent industrial action so this would make sense.

Good luck to them I say, London Underground makes millions in profit so rewarding staff who have to work over Christmas whilst everyone else enjoys themselves is only fair in my opinion.

Power to the workers!!!

Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions. Think about where all the extra money we pay in fare hikes every year goes, not the tube drivers pockets...
Who are the real piss takers here!?
They're entitled to a fair deal just like everyone else. The alternative is we all sit round talking about how shit our pay/leave/benefits are and encourage a race to the bottom

[StokeyGooner]

Tube train drivers already get fantastic wages for doing fuck all.

They do earn a fantastic wage but that is because of the responsibilty the job entails and the horrid working enviroment they are in. How much do you propose they should be paid and what justifies that amount?

How difficult is it to sit on your arse in a cab and do stopping and starting?

It is a very simple job but incredibly repetative and mundane, which can lead to errors. In the event of errors, drivers can be subject to disciplinary action.

The job does not just involve "stopping and starting" but working in appalling conditions, awful unsociable shifts, random drink and drug tests (meaning no beers the night before work), continual written and practical assessments, being expected to be able to remedy mechanical problems with the trains and being responsible for thousands of peoples safety every day.

You can't even take a wrong turn and end up in Dover. Fucking blackmailing bastards.

Drivers can accept an incorrect routing and head towards an incorrect station. It is their responsibility to ensure this does not happen.

Allegedly they are also getting a nice few bob extra just for not going on strike during the London Olympics.

Many companies are agreeing 2012 payrises to help prevent industrial action so this would make sense.

Good luck to them I say, London Underground makes millions in profit so rewarding staff who have to work over Christmas whilst everyone else enjoys themselves is only fair in my opinion.

Power to the workers!!!

Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions. Think about where all the extra money we pay in fare hikes every year goes, not the tube drivers pockets...
Who are the real piss takers here!?
They're entitled to a fair deal just like everyone else. The alternative is we all sit round talking about how shit our pay/leave/benefits are and encourage a race to the bottom