As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
StokeyGooner wrote:
Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions.
Because they disrupt the services many people rely on and to rub salt in the wounds if they get what they want it will be paid for through fee rises.
Any normal person without an agenda can see the unions/train drivers are in the wrong here.
And of course there is absolutely no agenda whatsoever from the media who castigate unions for going on strike, is there?
Also, blaming fare rises on the Tube drivers is a bit rich. The fares are set by those who run the train companies and is often paying for decades of under investment, like the weekend disruptions paying to replace part of the Underground that are 150 years old.
StokeyGooner wrote:
Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions.
Because they disrupt the services many people rely on and to rub salt in the wounds if they get what they want it will be paid for through fee rises.
Any normal person without an agenda can see the unions/train drivers are in the wrong here.
And of course there is absolutely no agenda whatsoever from the media who castigate unions for going on strike, is there?
Also, blaming fare rises on the Tube drivers is a bit rich. The fares are set by those who run the train companies and is often paying for decades of under investment, like the weekend disruptions paying to replace part of the Underground that are 150 years old.
What does an agenda from either side matter? Surely the facts are what should count.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this strike is about working on boxing day. The unions wants triple time plus a day off in lieu.
Now anyone can say if they think that is fair or not without reading a paper.
I think it is a fucking disgrace that they are asking for that much, they are not so much improving their working conditions as trying to exploit their employers for as much gain as possible on one of the most crucial travelling days of the year.
And they don't give a fuck about the public in the process.
Number 5 wrote:
What does an agenda from either side matter? Surely the facts are what should count.
Well, and not necessarily in regard to this particular dispute, an agenda from the media does matter - it dominates what information gets put into the public domain and which facts of a dispute are emphasized more than others.
The media have also previously written defamatory articles about unions and union leaders that have been proven to be outright lies, such as Arthur Scargill receiving funds from Gadaffi
I think it is a fucking disgrace that they are asking for that much, they are not so much improving their working conditions as trying to exploit their employers for as much gain as possible on one of the most crucial travelling days of the year.
And they don't give a fuck about the public in the process.
Well hay-ho.
If Tax dodgers and bankers think they're too big not too be appeased and take the piss out of us sooner or later this arrogance filters right the way down to the bottom of society.
After all - looks like we all notice when a train driver goes on strike a lot quicker than if a hedge fund trader withdrew his labour.[/quote]
StokeyGooner wrote:
Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions.
Because they disrupt the services many people rely on and to rub salt in the wounds if they get what they want it will be paid for through fee rises.
Any normal person without an agenda can see the unions/train drivers are in the wrong here.
And of course there is absolutely no agenda whatsoever from the media who castigate unions for going on strike, is there?
Also, blaming fare rises on the Tube drivers is a bit rich. The fares are set by those who run the train companies and is often paying for decades of under investment, like the weekend disruptions paying to replace part of the Underground that are 150 years old.
What does an agenda from either side matter? Surely the facts are what should count.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this strike is about working on boxing day. The unions wants triple time plus a day off in lieu.
Now anyone can say if they think that is fair or not without reading a paper.
I think it is a fucking disgrace that they are asking for that much, they are not so much improving their working conditions as trying to exploit their employers for as much gain as possible on one of the most crucial travelling days of the year.
And they don't give a fuck about the public in the process.
Indeed, however the way you've interpreted those facts may suggest that you have an agenda
As far as I understand it, currently they don't receive any additional payment for working on boxing day hence the dispute.
Whether they have requested triple time, and an additional days leave I don't know... however as everyone knows (except those employed by our club working on transfers) negotiations sometimes include demands way over and above what you expect to try and secure the best possible deal.
StokeyGooner wrote:
Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions.
Because they disrupt the services many people rely on and to rub salt in the wounds if they get what they want it will be paid for through fee rises.
Any normal person without an agenda can see the unions/train drivers are in the wrong here.
And of course there is absolutely no agenda whatsoever from the media who castigate unions for going on strike, is there?
Also, blaming fare rises on the Tube drivers is a bit rich. The fares are set by those who run the train companies and is often paying for decades of under investment, like the weekend disruptions paying to replace part of the Underground that are 150 years old.
What does an agenda from either side matter? Surely the facts are what should count.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this strike is about working on boxing day. The unions wants triple time plus a day off in lieu.
Now anyone can say if they think that is fair or not without reading a paper.
I think it is a fucking disgrace that they are asking for that much, they are not so much improving their working conditions as trying to exploit their employers for as much gain as possible on one of the most crucial travelling days of the year.
And they don't give a fuck about the public in the process.
Indeed, however the way you've interpreted those facts may suggest that you have an agenda
As far as I understand it, currently they don't receive any additional payment for working on boxing day hence the dispute.
Whether they have requested triple time, and an additional days leave I don't know... however as everyone knows (except those employed by our club working on transfers) negotiations sometimes include demands way over and above what you expect to try and secure the best possible deal.
I'm fairly certain that that is indeed what they have asked for but as I said I'm happy to be corrected if that is not what they have asked for.
I also understand that there is an arrangement already in place for working on Boxing Day as the tube has been open on this day for as long as I can remember.
Again as far as I know, happy to be corrected, but ASLEF aren't negotiating on this one. They have set their demands out and currently won't go to arbitration.
On the other side the government are looking for any weasily legal loophole to have the strike overturned.
I wouldn't say I have an agenda, my arse ain't going nowhere Boxing Day excpet for Corals on the high street to get my bet down on the King George, I just always feel these types of public sector strikes are more about being militant and disprutive than wanting true workers rights.
StokeyGooner wrote:
Well said that man! Why should we despise people who try to improve their working conditions.
Because they disrupt the services many people rely on and to rub salt in the wounds if they get what they want it will be paid for through fee rises.
Any normal person without an agenda can see the unions/train drivers are in the wrong here.
Define Normal person ?
A Tory press reading,Boris loving,Union hating Thatcherite inst the man on the Clapham Omnibus in my humble opinion.
Getting 40 k plus isnt a rich mans wage particularly in London where Housing and everything else costs a lot more than elsewhere in the UK.
Throw Unsocial Hours and bad conditions and your getting there.
I dont want them to strike but if they do that's their choice,the reactions Ive seen on here beggar belief !
Common sense has prevailed. With no overland or tube trains running on Boxing day it would have been madness to go ahead. Arsenal have a hell of a lot of fans who travel in from the home counties (and further). Well done Arsenal on a sensible decision for a change!! It's also saved us from getting a 30,000 crowd!!
