As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
kingjayson1 wrote:ST's will still be the same price as the cup credits will be used for FA and Carling Cup games
They won't be used for the Carling Cup as that would mean a radical change from what I think would be seen by the club as a successful pricing policy adopted over the last few years. That said, no Europe might force Arsenal to field a full strength team for ALL domestic cup games.....so maybe you are right.
As things stand I think I'd be more likely to renew my season tickets if we don't qualify for the Europa League than if we do......
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
Reg, I can't remember who it was, I think REDaction had a meeting with the club and got responses pretty much instantaneously. Why wasn't this the case with BSM? Not having a dig, just wondered.
RedAction, by their own admission, are only interested in improving the atmosphere inside the ground. When they raised concerns about ticket prices they were given a stock answer of "we are reviewing ticketing".
We had many recommendations, all of which were reproduced on this site and have asked the club to respond formally. If they don't then we'll simply publish our record of the meeting.
kingjayson1 wrote:ST's will still be the same price as the cup credits will be used for FA and Carling Cup games
They won't be used for the Carling Cup as that would mean a radical change from what I think would be seen by the club as a successful pricing policy adopted over the last few years. That said, no Europe might force Arsenal to field a full strength team for ALL domestic cup games.....so maybe you are right.
As things stand I think I'd be more likely to renew my season tickets if we don't qualify for the Europa League than if we do......
I just don't see how people would tolerate paying the current prices for no European football at all. To avoid a serious backlash the club would surely have to drop prices, but of course that is unheard of...
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
I think you may be waiting a while. I have a lot of time for the BSM but I'm fairly certain this is nothing but lip service from the club designed to appease you & keep you from their door a little while longer.
Anyway, never mind the Europa League, I'll be interested to see what happens to our pricing structure if we fail to even make Europe at all...
And they are only paying lip service to redaction and aisa and ast as well and the sooner these groups get it into their heads that this way of doing things is not and will not work the better The club are very happy to meet these group privately, pretend to listen and make thin promises to look into fans grievances - what the club do not want is a huge protest with big media attention thus causing damage to the Arsenal PLC brand If we all agree that money is the ultimate goal for the new afc then that is where they should be targetted and I dont mean by boycotting burgers or crap like that - sponsorship deals are soon due for renewal and new deals are being discussed at all times and I can guarantee you that no business wants to be associated with a club in the midst of civil unrest.
Anyway I am repeating what I have said many many times at this stage but please stop believing that any discussions the club has with any of these groups will ever have a satisfactory ending
Red Member wrote:IF we play in the Europa League next season and IF these tickets are included in the season tickets surely this is another reason to not renew them?
Anyone who does renew their ST if we finish 5th either is
1) a deluded brainless moron
2) has more money than sense
I do not agree with boycotting matches though - this is not the same thing.
by all means continue to go to matches using silver/red membership just do not give the yank the money in advance.
Also if you do not have a ST you do not have to pay for Europa League matches if you dont want to
As a red member I dont expect you to have any idea what its like to go week in week out and sit in the same seat with the same people etc. Having a season ticket is more than just going to watch the team for me. Its having a beer and catching up with friends on a regular basis, having away days and many other things. Of course watching the team is a major part and i want to see us win and perform on the pitch as much as any fan but just because we have dropped out of the Champions League doesnt mean that I am going to change my social life and miss out on seeing people I only get to catch up with at the Arsenal. So I guess that make me a deluded brainless moran
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
Reg, I can't remember who it was, I think REDaction had a meeting with the club and got responses pretty much instantaneously. Why wasn't this the case with BSM? Not having a dig, just wondered.
RedAction, by their own admission, are only interested in improving the atmosphere inside the ground. When they raised concerns about ticket prices they were given a stock answer of "we are reviewing ticketing".
We had many recommendations, all of which were reproduced on this site and have asked the club to respond formally. If they don't then we'll simply publish our record of the meeting.
Thanks for the reply. Have the club given you a deadline of when they will get back to you? If for example, they say they are reviewing ticketing, give you the answers to the questions and the next day put the prices up, leaving BSM with no time to protest the decision etc?
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
I think you may be waiting a while. I have a lot of time for the BSM but I'm fairly certain this is nothing but lip service from the club designed to appease you & keep you from their door a little while longer.
Anyway, never mind the Europa League, I'll be interested to see what happens to our pricing structure if we fail to even make Europe at all...
And they are only paying lip service to redaction and aisa and ast as well and the sooner these groups get it into their heads that this way of doing things is not and will not work the better The club are very happy to meet these group privately, pretend to listen and make thin promises to look into fans grievances - what the club do not want is a huge protest with big media attention thus causing damage to the Arsenal PLC brand If we all agree that money is the ultimate goal for the new afc then that is where they should be targetted and I dont mean by boycotting burgers or crap like that - sponsorship deals are soon due for renewal and new deals are being discussed at all times and I can guarantee you that no business wants to be associated with a club in the midst of civil unrest.
Anyway I am repeating what I have said many many times at this stage but please stop believing that any discussions the club has with any of these groups will ever have a satisfactory ending
I don't mind these groups approaching the club about specific issues as it is only right as the providers of the bulk of the club's income that they should have a voice.
However, I do agree and have said many times that the only way the club will ever change is when people cut off this income line. Taking a stand by not buying a shirt or a burger is a small discretionary spend item that they make a margin on (after the caterers and kit manufacturers have made theirs).
The maximum cause of disruption and one that would probably see action groups not only listened to but dealt with, is to stop providing the club with its lifeblood i.e. season tickets and match day sales. The club has a fixed cost of servicing its debt, paying its property rates, utilities etc, as well as the wages of the staff. If season ticket money stops coming in they have to listen. Once the full quota of tickets have been renewed in the Summer, frankly the rest is just the cream on top, and they can afford to 'listen generously' to supporter groups safe in the knowledge that the income stream is safe
I'm shouting into a void though because so few people are prepared to take the step of giving up STs. Up to them, but don't moan when change doesn't happen
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
I think you may be waiting a while. I have a lot of time for the BSM but I'm fairly certain this is nothing but lip service from the club designed to appease you & keep you from their door a little while longer.
Anyway, never mind the Europa League, I'll be interested to see what happens to our pricing structure if we fail to even make Europe at all...
ST's will still be the same price as the cup credits will be used for FA and Carling Cup games
Most likely. Do you see us getting 7 home ties in the FA Cup/CC though?
Dan - cant remember quite what the situation was but this did happen a couple of years ago. Sure the club added the extras on the following season? Would imagine the same would happen again but if there was no possibility of having 7 games perhaps they would take off of any renewal?
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
Reg, I can't remember who it was, I think REDaction had a meeting with the club and got responses pretty much instantaneously. Why wasn't this the case with BSM? Not having a dig, just wondered.
RedAction, by their own admission, are only interested in improving the atmosphere inside the ground. When they raised concerns about ticket prices they were given a stock answer of "we are reviewing ticketing".
We had many recommendations, all of which were reproduced on this site and have asked the club to respond formally. If they don't then we'll simply publish our record of the meeting.
Thanks for the reply. Have the club given you a deadline of when they will get back to you? If for example, they say they are reviewing ticketing, give you the answers to the questions and the next day put the prices up, leaving BSM with no time to protest the decision etc?
As I replied in a previous post, plans are being finalised for the next stage. It's no good waiting until the prices have gone up to do something. Now is the time to make feelings known. we have given the club a deadline to respond . . . the ball's in their court.
I agree with others when they suggest the club may only be playing lip service to the various groups. But by talking to the club we are in a better position to decide if that is so.
If the club decide they don't want to talk to us that's their problem. We're not going away and will organise whatever is necessary to ensure the club not the feelings of the fans.
All I can say is watch our for announcements within the next couple of weeks and if anyone wants to get on board, then get out from behind the keyboard and join us in organising.
Rocky Number Seven wrote:Dan - cant remember quite what the situation was but this did happen a couple of years ago. Sure the club added the extras on the following season? Would imagine the same would happen again but if there was no possibility of having 7 games perhaps they would take off of any renewal?
Yeah, the cost of unused credits is offset against the renewal price for next season but depending on how long we were out of Europe, it seems like it would be a huge pain in the arse for the club to keep processing these refunds each summer.
If you imagine, the only cup competition we'd be in before Christmas would be the CC with a possible 3 games. I think it'd be unlikely that we were drawn at home in all 3 matches, not to mention the fact that we'd probably get knocked out in the Quarters at the lastest. Then you'd have a possible FA Cup/CC mix after Christmas, again we'd probably be knocked out by March & the chances of us being drawn at home in all matches would be incredibly slim.
I don't see how 7 home cup credits can be used without European football...
Reg Niseth wrote:As some of you may remember, the BSM has recommended that ST holders are given an option of buying without cup vouchers, i.e. a ST Lite if you like . . . . we're still awaiting a response.
Our pateience is being stretched right now by the club's delay in responding to our recommendations.
Reg, I can't remember who it was, I think REDaction had a meeting with the club and got responses pretty much instantaneously. Why wasn't this the case with BSM? Not having a dig, just wondered.
RedAction, by their own admission, are only interested in improving the atmosphere inside the ground. When they raised concerns about ticket prices they were given a stock answer of "we are reviewing ticketing".
We had many recommendations, all of which were reproduced on this site and have asked the club to respond formally. If they don't then we'll simply publish our record of the meeting.
Thanks for the reply. Have the club given you a deadline of when they will get back to you? If for example, they say they are reviewing ticketing, give you the answers to the questions and the next day put the prices up, leaving BSM with no time to protest the decision etc?
As I replied in a previous post, plans are being finalised for the next stage. It's no good waiting until the prices have gone up to do something. Now is the time to make feelings known. we have given the club a deadline to respond . . . the ball's in their court.
I agree with others when they suggest the club may only be playing lip service to the various groups. But by talking to the club we are in a better position to decide if that is so.
If the club decide they don't want to talk to us that's their problem. We're not going away and will organise whatever is necessary to ensure the club not the feelings of the fans.
All I can say is watch our for announcements within the next couple of weeks and if anyone wants to get on board, then get out from behind the keyboard and join us in organising.
Red Member wrote:IF we play in the Europa League next season and IF these tickets are included in the season tickets surely this is another reason to not renew them?
Anyone who does renew their ST if we finish 5th either is
1) a deluded brainless moron
2) has more money than sense
I do not agree with boycotting matches though - this is not the same thing.
by all means continue to go to matches using silver/red membership just do not give the yank the money in advance.
Also if you do not have a ST you do not have to pay for Europa League matches if you dont want to
As a red member I dont expect you to have any idea what its like to go week in week out and sit in the same seat with the same people etc. Having a season ticket is more than just going to watch the team for me. Its having a beer and catching up with friends on a regular basis, having away days and many other things. Of course watching the team is a major part and i want to see us win and perform on the pitch as much as any fan but just because we have dropped out of the Champions League doesnt mean that I am going to change my social life and miss out on seeing people I only get to catch up with at the Arsenal. So I guess that make me a deluded brainless moran
Fair comment.
Maybe I was thinking back to the time when all the regulars could just meet up on the North Bank. I agree that you can't do that now. Maybe the way around that would be to introduce unreserved seating. However your comment means that the club won't do that because I see now that they would lose their season ticket holders...
It is also about time the club started to bring in one or two more top players.
as we have the highest ticket prices we should expect the best players to watch.
in recent years there has been Bergkamp, Henry, Vieria then Fabregas and now we are left with RVP. If RVP leaves and is not adequately replaced I will think twice about buying tickets in future. That goes for any competition we are involved in. Not because I couldn't be bothered to go but just because it wouldn't represent value for money.
The club are very happy to meet these group privately, pretend to listen and make thin promises to look into fans grievances - what the club do not want is a huge protest with big media attention thus causing damage to the Arsenal PLC brand 
