As we're unlikely to see terraces again at football, this is the virtual equivalent where you can chat to your hearts content about all football matters and, obviously, Arsenal in particular. This forum encourages all Gooners to visit and contribute so please keep it respectful, clean and topical.
Dan_85 wrote:Spurs have a very real chance of winning the league, but ho ho ho wasn't it funny to see Utd lose at Newcastle along the way.
Fuck me. I said at the time anyone enjoying seeing Utd lose was a plank. These were the same people who wanted Chelsea to beat City so they wouldn't go unbeaten, despite the fact that a City win would see us back in the top four. Has the penny dropped with you lot yet?! Wake the fuck up!
The saddest part of your tirade is that we are relying on other teams to place us in the top 4.
Sometimes you rely on luck and a leg-up from other teams, whatever position you're in the league you will have gained from other people's misfortune by other teams taking points off each other so I don't think it's exactly a bad thing.
Anyway have you looked at our team lately...it's shit. It's a mid-table team with a top class goalie and striker.
The other players are ok nothing more. Top 5 with that team is the best we can hope for. If the mousers or Chavs lose out to us for 4th then they truly are f***ed
So you're backing me up then?? Wenger has built a squad of shit. A squad of shit that earns c. £30m more than a side 9 points ahead of us in the table. Wenger earns £7m per year for assembling this squad of shite. Next year RVP is off. Someday Wilshere, Ches, Ramsey et al will flee the Titanic. Wenger will sink with his ship.
Harry Redknapp >>>>>> Wenger, every day of the week (inc. 29th February on Leap Years.)
Yes for the last 13 months but bar nearly destroying Pompey where the f**k has he been for 30 years of a managerial career.
Dan_85 wrote:Spurs have a very real chance of winning the league, but ho ho ho wasn't it funny to see Utd lose at Newcastle along the way.
Fuck me. I said at the time anyone enjoying seeing Utd lose was a plank. These were the same people who wanted Chelsea to beat City so they wouldn't go unbeaten, despite the fact that a City win would see us back in the top four. Has the penny dropped with you lot yet?! Wake the fuck up!
The saddest part of your tirade is that we are relying on other teams to place us in the top 4.
Sometimes you rely on luck and a leg-up from other teams, whatever position you're in the league you will have gained from other people's misfortune by other teams taking points off each other so I don't think it's exactly a bad thing.
Anyway have you looked at our team lately...it's shit. It's a mid-table team with a top class goalie and striker.
The other players are ok nothing more. Top 5 with that team is the best we can hope for. If the mousers or Chavs lose out to us for 4th then they truly are f***ed
So you're backing me up then?? Wenger has built a squad of shit. A squad of shit that earns c. £30m more than a side 9 points ahead of us in the table. Wenger earns £7m per year for assembling this squad of shite. Next year RVP is off. Someday Wilshere, Ches, Ramsey et al will flee the Titanic. Wenger will sink with his ship.
Harry Redknapp >>>>>> Wenger, every day of the week (inc. 29th February on Leap Years.)
Yes for the last 13 months but bar nearly destroying Pompey where the f**k has he been for 30 years of a managerial career.
Listen up good. This thread is about NOW.....NOW.....NOW......NOW. I used to be good at football,, but I'm not now. He spent money at Pompey, but compare it to Wenger, it is petty cash. As soon as Harry got a chance at a top 6 club, he has pissed all over Wenger. Even in the Champions League, they outdid us. Don't use excuses about Inter Milan and AC Milan being pushovers, because that is bollocks.
WENGER IN THE PRESENT DAY IS A BUSTED FLUSH. HARRY IS TWICE THE MANAGER ON HALF THE MONEY.
frankbutcher wrote:Take off your blinkers for a moment.
Who is the better manager in the present? Remember that our wage bill is £30m - £40m more than Spurs. He has a good blend of experience and youth. He picks up genuine bargains, and not just cheap shite on massive wages. If you prefer Wenger, explain to me why Wenger has been a better boss than Redknapp over the last 18 months. I'm all ears.
It's not all him at Spurs though is it?
I don't pay much attention to things up there but isn't it that he had no input to the Van Der Vaart signing? Levy just rang him up and said "You'll never guess what I just bought you"
Who can you say that they have signed under his tenure who is very very good? Bale, Modric I'm sure were there before he was and then what?
He pissed away big bucks on Palacios, Bassong, Crouch and probably more.
I think what he has done is mould them into more than the sum of their parts.
But don't think I'm trying to disprove your point, Wenger's a fucking loon and I hate him.
Tin hat on here but the problem with that statement is that arguably they would all get into our 1st team no problem.
Crouch as a partner for RVP
Palacios would do a far better job than Alex Song
Bassong would be a cut above Djourou or Squiddy and would definitely make at least the bench.
QuartzGooner wrote:Redknapp probably does have the edge on Wenger right now.
But I would not want him at Arsenal, I just do not see him as the man to take us forward to the title.
We need someone with vision for the club as a whole, because the fan-player-club relationship is damaged, and the whole philosophy of the club needs more focus on winning.
For me, I want Guardiola or Ancellotti.
STOP DREAMING.
Oh, I think Wenger stays with us until 2014.
But when he does go, I think we will have an experienced high profile replacement for him.
What Arry has done quite well with is signing the players they NEED.
ie: VDV, they needed a goalscoring midfielder
Greedy - they needed a striker who could score 20 a season
Parker - They needed consistency in defensive midfield
Friedel - they needed a consistent keeper
Wenger on the other hand, refuses to buy the sort of players we need, and has done for the last 6 years!!!
Babatunde wrote:Spud have an excellent chance of bearing Citeh though they will miss Ade Whore. No Kompany, and Citeh look jittery at the back. Lennon has returned. How I'd laugh if they went top...the shame of it all.
Laugh? Im suicidal that those cunts are joint 2nd FUCKING LAUGH!!!!
mcdowell42 wrote:Baba you must be delighted your team are joint 2nd in the PL
My thoughts exactly
Baba you might hate Arsene and even the current Arsenal but surely you cant want our bitter rivals to do well
Anybody who thinks that the crooked twitcher isnt doing a better job for them than wenger is doing for us is living in a different fcuking galaxy Forget about this season and look at the bigger pic cos he has improved that team bit by bit over the last 3 seasons to put them in the place where they are now while at the same time our cic (*word censored* in charge) is systematically dismantling/asset stripping our squad and replacing them with cheap sub standard foreign imports That they are ahead of us is no fluke and is not down to them being lucky or having a good 3 months that will see them self combust and allow us to once again reassert our dominance but is actually about a good squad being assembled and then delivering on the pitch where it matters most.
Again I will also say that making the point that he has only won 1 trophy in his career is moot - he has managed the shammers, pompey and southampton and they are hardly teams that can be expected to challenge for trophies are they ? Would he have done better if he had of spent his career managing big clubs with the resources that we have ? I would say that the answer to that is an emphatic yes
All that being said I would never want the guy managing my club. It will always stick in my head that he almost closed down pompey and southampton with his spending and pompey have yet to recover from where he left them. It shouldnt surprise me how he has escaped unscathed from the mess there considering how o'leary (*word censored*) has being black marked ever since the dirty leeds debacle cos of course the fact that the media hacks love him makes the difference here
I think some people here are missing the point. Redkrapp may be doing better with the scum this season than Wenger is with us. But that doesn't make him a good choice to replace Wenger.
Not wanting Twitchy as manager doesn't mean someone is happy Wenger is still our manager. The two are not mutually exclusive. I want Wenger gone but I do not want him replaced by a crooked crunt that has had one or two actual top seasons as a manager in a career spanning 30 years...
I don't believe he has what it takes to manage a truly big club like us. He reminds me of the Fat Sams and the Martin O'Neills of this world - able to get alot out of average players at smaller clubs where expectations are lower, and continually punch above their weight knowing that their board and fans will support them if they can just avoid relegation or go on a bit of a cup run. Not knocking that type of manager - they do a tough job and some do it very well.
But you put that type of manager at a truly big club with the media hype and elevated level of expectation and supporter demands and 9 times out of 10 they fail.
I agree with DB10 in so much as Wenger simply has to go for the club to move on, but replacing him with club-wrecker Redknapp who has left a trail of clubs fucked over financially is not the answer either
I am the first to say what a good job he's done at Spurs, but in many ways the pressure starts for him after this season. He took over when they were bottom of the league with 2 points, inherited a squad that was top half at worst and hence was able to deliver what would have been barely acceptable to any other manager whilst looking a hero.
When he got them to the top 4 it lasted a year and they dropped back out. They will qualify this year for certain but when they do its then about staying there for a few seasons. If he manages to establish them as a top 4 club in the way Wenger did before becoming a self harmer, then he will have made it. Until then he's still got a lot to prove. If the accepts the England job, with its usual six month honeymoon period, followed by a media onslaught after another tournament failure it will be the death knell for him. He loves his own publicity so much he won't be able to cope with being the next turnip
frankbutcher wrote:Take off your blinkers for a moment.
Who is the better manager in the present? Remember that our wage bill is £30m - £40m more than Spurs. He has a good blend of experience and youth. He picks up genuine bargains, and not just cheap shite on massive wages. If you prefer Wenger, explain to me why Wenger has been a better boss than Redknapp over the last 18 months. I'm all ears.
It's not all him at Spurs though is it?
I don't pay much attention to things up there but isn't it that he had no input to the Van Der Vaart signing? Levy just rang him up and said "You'll never guess what I just bought you"
Who can you say that they have signed under his tenure who is very very good? Bale, Modric I'm sure were there before he was and then what?
He pissed away big bucks on Palacios, Bassong, Crouch and probably more.
I think what he has done is mould them into more than the sum of their parts.
But don't think I'm trying to disprove your point, Wenger's a fucking loon and I hate him.
Tin hat on here but the problem with that statement is that arguably they would all get into our 1st team no problem.
Crouch as a partner for RVP
Palacios would do a far better job than Alex Song
Bassong would be a cut above Djourou or Squiddy and would definitely make at least the bench.
Don't think you're tin hat is going to prevent this nuclear warhead from penetrating your brain.
But are you high?
Where is Crouch gonna play, wide left or wide right of our front 3? We'd need a change of formation for him to stand a chance.
Song isn't what you need to march to titles and cups but Spurs realised this about Palacios too and he didn't hang around too long did he?
And well Bassong, you've gone from saying they'd get into our first team no problem to he'd definitley make the bench at least. That's about as far as I need to go there.
For all the negativity I hold about Arsenal right now and there is a fucking lot, I still have a feeling inside that somehow someway we will be sitting above them come the end of season.
QuartzGooner wrote:Redknapp probably does have the edge on Wenger right now.
But I would not want him at Arsenal, I just do not see him as the man to take us forward to the title.
We need someone with vision for the club as a whole, because the fan-player-club relationship is damaged, and the whole philosophy of the club needs more focus on winning.
For me, I want Guardiola or Ancellotti.
Definitely agree that we need a man with a long term plan and a vision....but Ancellotti, a man with a vision... Really?
Guardiola, has more to prove than most managers and I would rather see if he really is a good manager somewhere else than The Arsenal. We might as well take a chance on someone like Bould in that case.
The only worthy replacement of Wenger I can think of who would actually come in with a vision is Joachim Loew who for me is the most exciting manager in football over the last 4 or 5 years.
As for Arry being a better manager than Wenger. How about if we finish 7th but win the FA Cup, is Wenger a better manager again then all of a sudden?
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DB10GOONER wrote:I think some people here are missing the point. Redkrapp may be doing better with the scum this season than Wenger is with us. But that doesn't make him a good choice to replace Wenger.
Not wanting Twitchy as manager doesn't mean someone is happy Wenger is still our manager. The two are not mutually exclusive. I want Wenger gone but I do not want him replaced by a crooked crunt that has had one or two actual top seasons as a manager in a career spanning 30 years...
I don't believe he has what it takes to manage a truly big club like us. He reminds me of the Fat Sams and the Martin O'Neills of this world - able to get alot out of average players at smaller clubs where expectations are lower, and continually punch above their weight knowing that their board and fans will support them if they can just avoid relegation or go on a bit of a cup run. Not knocking that type of manager - they do a tough job and some do it very well.
But you put that type of manager at a truly big club with the media hype and elevated level of expectation and supporter demands and 9 times out of 10 they fail.
Has the penny dropped with you lot yet?! Wake the fuck up!
That they are ahead of us is no fluke and is not down to them being lucky or having a good 3 months that will see them self combust and allow us to once again reassert our dominance but is actually about a good squad being assembled and then delivering on the pitch where it matters most.
