Kein Zwanni calls out for Hamburg boycott

TomÃ¡Å¡ · Post by **TomÃ¡Å¡** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:36 pm

SpanishJoe wrote:Our Maccam friend may be right in his analysis, but we should remember that our German friends have never been shy at initiating a bit of aggro!

Hi SpanishJoe,
not sure what you mean with that statement

Here is an articel about Aston Villa thinking about bringing safe standing back to the football ground:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... k-terraces

One reason of many others being to bring back the ticket prices..or at least to be able to offer some cheaper tickets:

Taylor rejected that, saying: "It should be possible to plan a price structure which suits the cheapest seats to the pockets of those at present paying to stand," citing the cost of standing at Rangers' Ibrox ground then, of Â£4. With cumulative inflation of 77.1% since, the price of that ticket at the beginning of this season would have been Â£7. Yet prices at the bigger Premier League clubs mostly start at a minimum Â£30 and go much higher than that. At Liverpool, whose supporters were the victims at Hillsborough, standing on the Kop cost Â£4 in 1989-90; the price for a seat this season at category A games is Â£45.

Let's stay united in this matter, besides all rivalry

!

Best wishes from rainy Germany,
Thomas

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:37 pm

Firstly, COMMENT DELETED IN SPIRIT OF ENTENTE CORDIALE....

Secondly, did anyone else open this thread think that it was something to do with racism and that Kein Zwanni played for Cameroon....?

Thirdly, good thread and point well made..... Think the problem here is that prices have crept up bit by bit over the years and so there hasn't been any one particular year where the shock has been enough to prompt action.

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:43 pm

TomÃ¡Å¡ wrote:
SpanishJoe wrote:Our Maccam friend may be right in his analysis, but we should remember that our German friends have never been shy at initiating a bit of aggro!
Hi SpanishJoe,
not sure what you mean with that statement

Here is an articel about Aston Villa thinking about bringing safe standing back to the football ground:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012 ... k-terraces

One reason of many others being to bring back the ticket prices..or at least to be able to offer some cheaper tickets:

Taylor rejected that, saying: "It should be possible to plan a price structure which suits the cheapest seats to the pockets of those at present paying to stand," citing the cost of standing at Rangers' Ibrox ground then, of Â£4. With cumulative inflation of 77.1% since, the price of that ticket at the beginning of this season would have been Â£7. Yet prices at the bigger Premier League clubs mostly start at a minimum Â£30 and go much higher than that. At Liverpool, whose supporters were the victims at Hillsborough, standing on the Kop cost Â£4 in 1989-90; the price for a seat this season at category A games is Â£45.

Let's stay united in this matter, besides all rivalry !

Best wishes from rainy Germany,
Thomas

Cheapest ticket for our game on Sunday v Utd is Â£51......but that rises to Â£71 (about â‚¬85) in the upper tier behind the goal, which would have traditionally been the most popular part of the terrace!

TomÃ¡Å¡ · Post by **TomÃ¡Å¡** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:00 pm

[/quote]Cheapest ticket for our game on Sunday v Utd is Â£51......but that rises to Â£71 (about â‚¬85) in the upper tier behind the goal, which would have traditionally been the most popular part of the terrace![/quote]

Hey,
We have at Dortmund a stupid thing called 'Top Game addition'

Zu den Topspielen gegen Arsenal, Bayern MÃ¼nchen, Schalke 04, Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Mâ€™Gladbach, Hamburger SV und 1. FC KÃ¶ln erheben wir einen Zuschlag von 20%.

They charge, what the club think are Top Games, 20% upon the regular ticket prices! Funny thing...Hamburg...Cologne...they are not even near the top of the league...it is just because they usually bring a lot of supporters so the club knows there will be a high demand and can so rip of the fans.

Cheers,
Thomas

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:17 pm

TomÃ¡Å¡ wrote:They charge, what the club think are Top Games, 20% upon the regular ticket prices! Funny thing...Hamburg...Cologne...they are not even near the top of the league...it is just because they usually bring a lot of supporters so the club knows there will be a high demand and can so rip of the fans.

Cheers,
Thomas

Our Category A games are Chelsea, Liverpool, Man United, Man City, Tottenham. Partly based on league position, but also rivalries.

And the percentage uplift on Category B varies, but is 46% for the cheapest tickets!

MK Gould · Post by **MK Gould** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:56 pm

From today's Guardian:

QUOTE OF THE DAY
"That night I bought Australia for Â£2,800 at 340 runs. That meant for every run over 340 you win Â£2,800, but for every run under you lose the same amount. Australia collapsed for 237. It is a score I remember well. It cost me Â£288,400. Every wicket felt like a stab in the heart. By the end of the night I felt like I'd been scalped" â€“ Dietmar Hamann makes it painfully clear why no German should ever bet on cricket, especially one with a gambling problem.

Probably also helps explains why we now pay such a ridiculous price to watch football......we paid his f*cking wages!

SWLGooner · Post by **SWLGooner** » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:22 pm

Not to be pedantic or anything, but the Entente Cordiale is between Britain and France

OneBardGooner · Post by **OneBardGooner** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:55 am

[quote="TomÃ¡Å¡"]Dear All,
The basic fan scene will boycott BVB Sunday game in Hamburg due to the high ticket prices. The supporters will travel to Hamburg but they will not go inside the stadium. They will stay outside in front of the stadium and listen to the radio broadcast. The campaign: 'Kein Zwanni - Football must be payable'
Which means: No twenty Euros (because this is normally the border for standing tickets) - Football must be payable, is targeting the entire ticket prices in the German league. We think that the prices are already too high for every people to effort going to the game. We know that the prices in England are way much higher, but we don't want to fall into the same pitfall. In Germany the attention has caught on by other fan organizations, clubs and most important by the media. Here is the English link:
http://www.kein-zwanni.de/en/index.html

Football must be payable!

Best wishes and Well Done Germany as efficient as ever...and although I have No bleedin' idea what this means (Vorsprung durch Technik)..it somehow seems very applicable...

I wish you Good Luck...coz as has been so rightly pointed out we Brits just bend over and take it it like a bitch.

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:18 am

What happened Tomas? How come everybody went in the stadium?

Post by **flash gunner** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:15 am

SWLGooner wrote:Not to be pedantic or anything, but the Entente Cordiale is between Britain and France

No you are being pedantic

Copenhagen_BVB · Post by **Copenhagen_BVB** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:57 am

Dan_85 wrote:

What happened Tomas? How come everybody went in the stadium?

Well.. what happened is that we have tons of supporters in the whole country.

The match in Hamburg is one of the away games with the highest demands. (everybody who has been to the red light district in Hamburg before knows why!

)
Since the away stand in Hamburg is quite small, all of the tickets go to fanclubs, away season ticket holders and members. This means that most of the dortmund supporters from northern germany never have a chance to go to that game.

This time around though the fanclubs, season ticket holders, and members didn't buy tickets, which simply meant that all the others finally had a chance to attend to this away match.
Thats why the away stand was that crowded.

Outside of the stadium were around 500-1000 supporters listening to the game on radio.

Some might say the boycott failed.

But I think it wasn't really about having an empty away stand this time around.
It was about getting the medias attention. Getting more supporters involved, also from other clubs.

And this was definitely a success, because the protest was in every media.

Dan_85 · Post by **Dan_85** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:04 am

Copenhagen_BVB wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:

What happened Tomas? How come everybody went in the stadium?
Well.. what happened is that we have tons of supporters in the whole country.

The match in Hamburg is one of the away games with the highest demands. (everybody who has been to the red light district in Hamburg before knows why! )
Since the away stand in Hamburg is quite small, all of the tickets go to fanclubs, away season ticket holders and members. This means that most of the dortmund supporters from northern germany never have a chance to go to that game.

This time around though the fanclubs, season ticket holders, and members didn't buy tickets, which simply meant that all the others finally had a chance to attend to this away match.
Thats why the away stand was that crowded.

Outside of the stadium were around 500-1000 supporters listening to the game on radio.

Some might say the boycott failed.

But I think it wasn't really about having an empty away stand this time around.
It was about getting the medias attention. Getting more supporters involved, also from other clubs.

And this was definitely a success, because the protest was in every media.

Cool mate. I wasn't trying to take the piss or anything, was just interested to know how it played out. So it was mainly the fans from Dortmund who stayed outside? Those who went in were happy with the â‚¬20 price?

Copenhagen_BVB · Post by **Copenhagen_BVB** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:22 am

Dan_85 wrote: Cool mate. I wasn't trying to take the piss or anything, was just interested to know how it played out. So it was mainly the fans from Dortmund who stayed outside? Those who went in were happy with the â‚¬20 price?

I know you weren't taking the piss.

I would say so, yeah. Mainly fans travelling from Dortmund outside of the stadium protesting. I myself know how hard it is to live far away from my club and not having the chance to attend to many matches.

I would guess that quite a few inside of the stadium were 'happy' with the prices, but only because they only attend to max. a handful of games per season. So prices aren't that important to them, they will pay them anyway.
But for a supporter travelling to 17 away games per season prices are much more important.

The prices for the standing area in hamburg were â‚¬19, but including shipping and other fees at around â‚¬25-27.
Then again, the standing area in Hamburg is ridiculously small...
The seaters were starting at around â‚¬50 if I recall correct.

So its not just about standing ticket prices, but also about seaters. Even if the name of the campaign doesn't really give that away.

TomÃ¡Å¡ · Post by **TomÃ¡Å¡** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:35 pm

Dan_85 wrote: What happened Tomas? How come everybody went in the stadium?

Hi Dan, hi Everybody else interesting in that topic,
Well it was almost sold out..4808 fans supporting their team..http://www.bvb.de/?k%E5%84%ECY%1B%E7%F4%9C_c%E1%85%94 and that are partially good news! Normally this game is sold out in a minute and this time the regular fan clubs and supporter organization http://kein-zwanni.de/en/unterstuetzer_bvb.html did not purchased tickets. The bad news is like Copenhagen BVB wrote that there are still a lot of BVB fans which traveled. But for those who following the BVB regular there has been a clear difference in support.
Here are some pics from the people in front of the stadium...we are talking about 500 to 800 people, but keep in mind that you had another 10.000 which did not travel and did not pick tickets in the first place. Here are some German vids:
http://www.schwatzgelb.de/2012-01-22_ku ... regen.html and here is the English SG match report which covers only a small section about the protest but will cover more in the next days: ''Due to the fact that amongst many others, our Borussia supporters were contributing to the boycott against high ticket prices under the name "kein Zwanni", a lot of our fans decided to not go to the stadium and listen to the radio in front of the stadium instead. We will inform you about these events in another article, let's take a look at the wonderful game instead.'' http://www.schwatzgelb.de/2012-01-023_m ... tmund.html

So...it was another step...but like we have a saying in Germany: ''It is a thickly plank which we have to drill

''

Football needs to be affordable!

Cheers,
Thomas

Henry Norris 1913 · Post by **Henry Norris 1913** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:45 pm

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