Van Persie saga, officially not extending contract.

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MutleyGooner wrote:I reckon that he has told them that he wants out regardless of who they sign during the summer, I also believe that the club have agreed to this on the condition that he says nothing until after the membership renewal deadline has passed. Conveniently the Euro's can be used as an excuse for the delay in notifying us of the outcome. Still I am sure we will make at least £12 from his sale, should be more but this is Arsenal remember :banghead: Best wishes Robin, you have served us well :barscarf:

What a shit post, he's hasn't served us well at all, he carried us last season but previous to this he's barely played 30 games a season.

He will not be asked to keep quiet because of membership sales either, what planet are you on, he's not God for fuck sake and the club will not lose thousands of fans to City if he leaves.

I love van Persie in a non gay way but he's no Wright, Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Adams even Fabregas, he could be if he stayed and gave us a good number of games in his new contract but right now he's more Flamini whose played out of his skin for one year before looking for a move (and look how that turned out)

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Gunnersaurus wrote:
MutleyGooner wrote:I reckon that he has told them that he wants out regardless of who they sign during the summer, I also believe that the club have agreed to this on the condition that he says nothing until after the membership renewal deadline has passed. Conveniently the Euro's can be used as an excuse for the delay in notifying us of the outcome. Still I am sure we will make at least £12 from his sale, should be more but this is Arsenal remember :banghead: Best wishes Robin, you have served us well :barscarf:

What a shit post, he's hasn't served us well at all, he carried us last season but previous to this he's barely played 30 games a season.

He will not be asked to keep quiet because of membership sales either, what planet are you on, he's not God for fuck sake and the club will not lose thousands of fans to City if he leaves.

I love van Persie in a non gay way but he's no Wright, Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Adams even Fabregas, he could be if he stayed and gave us a good number of games in his new contract but right now he's more Flamini whose played out of his skin for one year before looking for a move (and look how that turned out)
I agree with Gunner......and don't you think that he's taking on Henry type status purely because the rest of the playing squad is so fucking mediocre. I remember when we signed Reyes - the Spanish wonderboy of the day - and he was a very good footballer made to look OK by the fact that he played in a side that had several other world class performers. We once bemoaned Wiltord and Kanu as our reserve strikers - now its Maryanne and SQP. What an absolute shambles.

What next - John Carew and Emile Heskey ?

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He is well within his rights to expect better froth club with regards to players coming in but make no mistake, he can not hold it to ransom given how much time he has spent on the injury table picking up his wages, he even signed his last contract while he was in the middle of a bad spell of fitness.

While his talent is unquestionable, his attitude towards this club and towards us needs to be better, the club has stood by his Diabyesque fitness and now he's trying to call the shots as he's stayed fit for one year in 8.

Gooners need to man up and stop pandering to his talent, the situation becoming insulting.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:
MutleyGooner wrote:I reckon that he has told them that he wants out regardless of who they sign during the summer, I also believe that the club have agreed to this on the condition that he says nothing until after the membership renewal deadline has passed. Conveniently the Euro's can be used as an excuse for the delay in notifying us of the outcome. Still I am sure we will make at least £12 from his sale, should be more but this is Arsenal remember :banghead: Best wishes Robin, you have served us well :barscarf:

What a shit post, he's hasn't served us well at all, he carried us last season but previous to this he's barely played 30 games a season.

He will not be asked to keep quiet because of membership sales either, what planet are you on, he's not God for fuck sake and the club will not lose thousands of fans to City if he leaves.

I love van Persie in a non gay way but he's no Wright, Henry, Pires, Bergkamp, Adams even Fabregas, he could be if he stayed and gave us a good number of games in his new contract but right now he's more Flamini whose played out of his skin for one year before looking for a move (and look how that turned out)
Actually I think you'll find that that was one of my better posts. Yes he may be injury prone throughout his Arsenal career but he has served us well whenever fit. No he isn't up there with the players that you mention but lets be honest, none of the current squad are. Hew took the armband and lived up to my expectations of a captain, he carried an average team to third place in the league, a position I never expected at the end of August. I'm not suggesting that the club will lose fans to man citeh but after last seasons transfer debacle and early ticket slump, remember how many games went to general sale, I honestly believe that he would agree to a media blackout in order for the club to 1) fulfil its ticket sale targets and 2) give them time to formulate a plan to appease us fans. His desire to leave shouldnt come as a suprise to the board, I would hope that they have prepared for this scenario but at this club nothing would suprise me.

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Wake up mate, from the off he's refused to talk about his contract until now, his mind was probably made up.at the start of the season and he's played out of his skin and gone the extra mlie fitness wise for a reason.

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The club should play hardball for once, he either signs or he stays, chances are this season was a fluke and he will miss 6 months next year, trust me, he will sign then.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:Wake up mate, from the off he's refused to talk about his contract until now, his mind was probably made up.at the start of the season and he's played out of his skin and gone the extra mlie fitness wise for a reason.
Mate I agree with you but I don't blame him, this club is going nowhere for the next few years. He is 29 and has one last decentt contract in him and the desire to win silverware. Good luck to him, he put himself in the shop window and us in the champions league, Arsenal should not stand in his way but try and secure top dollar for him, unfortunately as history shows, we will selll him well below market value.

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You are right but I just don't think he should be given an easy ride if he leaves, he owes us and if he goes to City he will be bigger *word censored* than Cole for me.

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Players leaving normally doesn't really affect me and I would be less bothered if he went abroad to Madrid, Barca, Juve etc but to be honest i'll be fucking gutted if he turns out in a City/Utd/Chelsea shirt. I couldn't really blame him but it would hurt more because it was all of our own making & so easily preventable if those cretins running our club would get their act together & show some fucking ambition.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:You are right but I just don't think he should be given an easy ride if he leaves, he owes us and if he goes to City he will be bigger *word censored* than Cole for me.

I understand where you are coming from but at the same time I think that you are being very hard on rvp :o Yes we have carried him throughout his injury riddled career with us but at the same time I think any self respecting quality footballer should be looking to join a club that are serious about becoming winners cos all this club does is talk about it :roll: :oops: It has been pointed out on here in the last few days that some of the absolute shit players we have that are way overpaid and comfortable staying with us are probably bigger mercenary greedy b*****ds than those who leave us with the aim of winning trophies. I think for a quality player like rvp to stick around this club would require a sacrifice of enormous nature and tbh I would lose respect for the man if he did it

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Gunnersaurus wrote:You are right but I just don't think he should be given an easy ride if he leaves, he owes us and if he goes to City he will be bigger *word censored* than Cole for me.
Hmmmm
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RVP owes Arsenal nothing.

If anything, Arsenal owe him.
Think about it. He has been there 8 years, and in that time only started earning the big bucks two-three years ago...
Now tally up his wages he has made in that period; and ask yourself, what the Champions League revenue he has brought us (£40 mil) is worth?

Make no mistake he has single handedly dragged this shower of shite into 3rd by himself. That is worth £40 million in television revenue and UEFA cash, as well as ST renewals.

There is no chance in hell Arsenal have given RVP that much. Nonsense.

He owes Arsenal nothing. If anything, he owes it to himself to go and win trophies, his talent is wasted alongside shite like Gervinho, Chamakh, Diaby, Song etc...

He leaves with all my best wishes.

Like I have always said, it baffles me how our fans will consistently try and make out the problem is captain, after captain leaving us - whilst the REAL problem, the REAL culprit you should be heckling is staring you all right in the face. Yes, the arrogant sod on £7 mil per year to achieve the root sum of fuck all...
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If RVP stays at Arsenal, then that for me, makes him much more of a mercenary.
Staying at Arsenal means RVP is not challenging himself to improve, play with better players and fight to get into a competitive world class team. If anything, staying at Arsenal will merely confirm that he lacks ambition and wants a nice life on easy street: picking up his fat wages, without ever having to bother about fighting to win trophies, walk into the team every week, never be subject to discipline and public scrutiny etc....play for fans who demand absolutely nothing and will kiss your ring for finishing 4th/3rd.

If RVP is a serious footballer who cares about winning before money and a life of easy comfort, he will leave.

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Babatunde wrote:If RVP stays at Arsenal, then that for me, makes him much more of a mercenary.
Staying at Arsenal means RVP is not challenging himself to improve, play with better players and fight to get into a competitive world class team. If anything, staying at Arsenal will merely confirm that he lacks ambition and wants a nice life on easy street: picking up his fat wages, without ever having to bother about fighting to win trophies, walk into the team every week, never be subject to discipline and public scrutiny etc....play for fans who demand absolutely nothing and will kiss your ring for finishing 4th/3rd.

If RVP is a serious footballer who cares about winning before money and a life of easy comfort, he will leave.
He's not earned the right to be seen as a serious footballer, had he been here 8 years and given us 8 good years fitness wise then I would agree but he hasn't so shouldn't be hero.worshipped or given Henryesque respect as a returning hero just because he happened to stay fit for one year in 8 and live up to the potential he was supposed to show years ago.

For all his faults Wenger has stood by him when many including myself would have sold him 2 years ago because he was never fit, he does owe us and he owes us more than one season.

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Gunnersaurus wrote:
Babatunde wrote:If RVP stays at Arsenal, then that for me, makes him much more of a mercenary.
Staying at Arsenal means RVP is not challenging himself to improve, play with better players and fight to get into a competitive world class team. If anything, staying at Arsenal will merely confirm that he lacks ambition and wants a nice life on easy street: picking up his fat wages, without ever having to bother about fighting to win trophies, walk into the team every week, never be subject to discipline and public scrutiny etc....play for fans who demand absolutely nothing and will kiss your ring for finishing 4th/3rd.

If RVP is a serious footballer who cares about winning before money and a life of easy comfort, he will leave.
He's not earned the right to be seen as a serious footballer, had he been here 8 years and given us 8 good years fitness wise then I would agree but he hasn't so shouldn't be hero.worshipped or given Henryesque respect as a returning hero just because he happened to stay fit for one year in 8 and live up to the potential he was supposed to show years ago.

For all his faults Wenger has stood by him when many including myself would have sold him 2 years ago because he was never fit, he does owe us and he owes us more than one season.
Wenger 'stands' by everyone though doesn't he?
Stands by Chamakh.
Stands by Diaby.
Has stood by Almunia how long?
Stands by Ramsey.
Stood by Eboue for so long.
Stood by Denilson for ages.

Where has his 'loyalty' got us? It isn't a stroke of genius by Wenger, it is Wenger getting lucky that one of the crocks he stood by actually turned out outstanding. Wenger 'stands' by these players because he is weak, and cannot make tough decisions - hence the reason Almunia, Diaby and Squillaci are still on our wage bill!

You have a valid point that he has given us just the one year, but that one year alone is more than Diaby, Eboue, Song, Denilson, etc gave us in years and years. And for that one year alone, he owe it to himself to leave.

Wenger has let RVP and the club down.
Wenger shames the club.

Why should RVP hang around in the last big contract of his career, to muck about with clowns like Gervinho, Song, Ramsey, Diaby, Denilson, Shitachi, Chamakh, Mertesacker, Park and co? He could join any serious club in Europe, and where would be the point in hanging aaround this garbage?

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Gunnersaurus wrote:
Babatunde wrote:If RVP stays at Arsenal, then that for me, makes him much more of a mercenary.
Staying at Arsenal means RVP is not challenging himself to improve, play with better players and fight to get into a competitive world class team. If anything, staying at Arsenal will merely confirm that he lacks ambition and wants a nice life on easy street: picking up his fat wages, without ever having to bother about fighting to win trophies, walk into the team every week, never be subject to discipline and public scrutiny etc....play for fans who demand absolutely nothing and will kiss your ring for finishing 4th/3rd.

If RVP is a serious footballer who cares about winning before money and a life of easy comfort, he will leave.
He's not earned the right to be seen as a serious footballer, had he been here 8 years and given us 8 good years fitness wise then I would agree but he hasn't so shouldn't be hero.worshipped or given Henryesque respect as a returning hero just because he happened to stay fit for one year in 8 and live up to the potential he was supposed to show years ago.

For all his faults Wenger has stood by him when many including myself would have sold him 2 years ago because he was never fit, he does owe us and he owes us more than one season.
Real Madrid, Citeh, Man United and Juve all beg to differ I'm afraid.

Now. Can you name RVP apart, a single joker in our shower who would even be allowed to drive the Real Madrid team bus?

Nope. Neither can I.

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