Cleverley obviously isn't a bad player but it speaks volumes that Ferguson would rather have Paul Scholes playing into his 80s because he doesn't rate him that much. I wouldn't take him in our squad. At Wigan he was barely on anybody's radar and was just another decent young player at a relegation fodder side but within weeks of coming back from loan to United he was called up for England. There's no way he'll be the mainpin of United's midfield for the next decade.LDB wrote:I've found this too and its unbelievable how little appreciation these clueless "mancs" have for players who dont play for them. Cleverly is a decent enough player but he is simply not in Wilshere's class and yet I've heard some drivel, even when not arguing that cleverly is better its all about how they're both as good as each other just "different". Cleverly is apparently more physical and jack is a ball player or maybe its the other way around... either way its just horse shit. Touch, control, passing, drive and pace over the first 5 yards you name it and Wilshere beats cleverly hands down. Cleverly is marginally more effective then Jack in terms of goal scoring at the moment but I would be surprised if that lasts their entire careers.northbank123 wrote:Nearly every Man United fan whose opinions I have had the misfortune to encounter has expressed bemusement at the obsession with Wilshere and stated that Cleverley is as good, if not better.
Manchester United fans are just intolerable.
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You lot who live in shitholes which are full of man utd/liverpool fans - relocate as soon as possible.



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The ones that can actually discuss the merits of Cleverly or others are not quiet as bad as the ones who never heard of Cleverly but still mouth about the team they "support". Gallagher (Carragher) and Dowling (Downing) two Liverpool players I heard discussed..yer man Barbytop (Berbatov) another gem !!LDB wrote:I've found this too and its unbelievable how little appreciation these clueless "mancs" have for players who dont play for them. Cleverly is a decent enough player but he is simply not in Wilshere's class and yet I've heard some drivel, even when not arguing that cleverly is better its all about how they're both as good as each other just "different". Cleverly is apparently more physical and jack is a ball player or maybe its the other way around... either way its just horse shit. Touch, control, passing, drive and pace over the first 5 yards you name it and Wilshere beats cleverly hands down. Cleverly is marginally more effective then Jack in terms of goal scoring at the moment but I would be surprised if that lasts their entire careers.northbank123 wrote:Nearly every Man United fan whose opinions I have had the misfortune to encounter has expressed bemusement at the obsession with Wilshere and stated that Cleverley is as good, if not better.
Manchester United fans are just intolerable.
Cleverly is a decent player but doesn't come near our Jack.
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ac milan 2-0 barca 10 mins to go
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Milan are at home yet are giving a classic display of how to play Barca. 4 4 2 in their own half when Barca have the ball and break at pace when they get it, all the Milan players are working their socks off.
60% to 40% possession to Barca and they have hardly troubled the Milan goal.
I wish we had a manager who was tactic wise
60% to 40% possession to Barca and they have hardly troubled the Milan goal.
I wish we had a manager who was tactic wise
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Worst game from Barca since before Pep and I am very serious. It's been more than 5 years since I've seen them play that bad.
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While you really have to give credit to Milan I think Barca was simply awful today. I think they made a mistake when they signed Fabregas because that meant that they shifted Iniesta on the left wing. I think with Iniesta in the middle and a good winger like Villa they are far more dangerous.corkbarry wrote:Milan are at home yet are giving a classic display of how to play Barca. 4 4 2 in their own half when Barca have the ball and break at pace when they get it, all the Milan players are working their socks off.
60% to 40% possession to Barca and they have hardly troubled the Milan goal.
I wish we had a manager who was tactic wise
Oh and Sanchez is really shit at least as a winger. I don't really understand what they see in him.. imo they have a big problem on the wings - still one of the top3 teams in the world but not as good as they were.
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Wasn't that Niang lad on trial at us during the summer? Why didn't we sign him? Looked class when he came on, but Turnip opted to spunk 10 million pounds on the forehead instead.
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1989 wrote:Wasn't that Niang lad on trial at us during the summer? Why didn't we sign him? Looked class when he came on, but Turnip opted to spunk 10 million pounds on the forehead instead.
Yeah he was ontrial with us at start of season but the forehead was signed the previous season so he didnt opt for forehead over niang instead
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1989 wrote:Wasn't that Niang lad on trial at us during the summer? Why didn't we sign him? Looked class when he came on, but Turnip opted to spunk 10 million pounds on the forehead instead.
He was alson on trial at the spuds but they turned him down too.......go figure

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defensive masterclass by milan.
Chelsea won by luck, because at the bridge they gave barca several chances.
Milan gave barca nothing, and barca lacked the authority, they were perplexed! Messi woeful!
Chelsea won by luck, because at the bridge they gave barca several chances.
Milan gave barca nothing, and barca lacked the authority, they were perplexed! Messi woeful!
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5000 aimless sideways passes from Barca, going absolutely nowhere in a hurry. I felt right at home watching that 

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A little bit of organisation goes a long way- that was a well marshalled Milan backline who had obviosuly worked on their positioning and their discipline in the tackle was almost faultless. Not many cheap freekicks and broke with PACE on the counter attack.
Its the sort of performance we should have tried to put together against Bayern.
Its the sort of performance we should have tried to put together against Bayern.
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This Barca side is on the way out IMO. Every team goes in cycles & the cycle for this team is coming to an end. I still expect them to be there or there abouts for the next few years but they're not the team they were 2/3 seasons ago...
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That's a bit harsh. They were never as good in the league as this season as far as I remember. They played poor today but that was only one game. But they do have problems and I wonder if they'll be able to fix them in the summer.Dan_85 wrote:This Barca side is on the way out IMO. Every team goes in cycles & the cycle for this team is coming to an end. I still expect them to be there or there abouts for the next few years but they're not the team they were 2/3 seasons ago...
They can't defend this season though.. but that wasn't the main problem today. Today they were just shit
