Ambition or lack of it.

[Brady's left peg]

In light of manure's new sponsorship deal reportedly worth 15 million per season just for the naming rights to the training complex and training kit, I thought it would be interesting to see how we feel about our clubs inability to compete both on the pitch and off it.
I cannot understand why we lag so far behind other clubs when it comes to sponsorship instead of proactively seeking new deals to re-enforce our finances, we seem quite happy to bumble along without a care in the world until somebody else shows them what can be managed with a bit of application.
This all comes down to desire and ambition..... Something we do not seem to posses anymore. How can we honestly expect our players and manager to show it when the board are so lackadaisical.

I hate to mention his name on here but I saw a really cutting quote from Rooney earlier......

"But when you are at a club like United, you have to be full of motivation and desire to win every year.

"That comes from the manager and all the players are aware of it.

"The club and the players have to be full of that desire. That's why the club has been so successful."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... derby.html

All the time we treat 4th place as a trophy nothing will change, we need to get back the winning mentality, we need a board that shares the fans passion for the Arsenal and above all we need to have desire and ambition to be champions again.
Everybody has an opinion on whether Wenger should remain, personally I think he should of been removed already but that is just my opinion. The trouble is when the time comes and Wenger goes can we trust this board to pick the right manager to replace him........ answer NO we can't. With every passing day it becomes more and more apparent that our current board do not give a fuck about success only making money. I realise many of you on here already know that we are and have been for some time a club in decline. But I still see far too many fans in full support of the club and back every decision they make.
Do not be lulled into believing this mini revival is anything but that...... a couple of good games and everything is rosy in the Wenger garden. If we win every game until the end of the season and finish in the top 4..... great.
It does not mean though that the problem has gone away, That will not happen until we have a new board, a board who have the vision and ambition to take us back to the top!

Kroenke out!!

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

In light of manure's new sponsorship deal reportedly worth 15 million per season just for the naming rights to the training complex and training kit, I thought it would be interesting to see how we feel about our clubs inability to compete both on the pitch and off it.
I cannot understand why we lag so far behind other clubs when it comes to sponsorship instead of proactively seeking new deals to re-enforce our finances, we seem quite happy to bumble along without a care in the world until somebody else shows them what can be managed with a bit of application.
This all comes down to desire and ambition..... Something we do not seem to posses anymore. How can we honestly expect our players and manager to show it when the board are so lackadaisical.

I hate to mention his name on here but I saw a really cutting quote from Rooney earlier......

"But when you are at a club like United, you have to be full of motivation and desire to win every year.

"That comes from the manager and all the players are aware of it.

"The club and the players have to be full of that desire. That's why the club has been so successful."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... derby.html

All the time we treat 4th place as a trophy nothing will change, we need to get back the winning mentality, we need a board that shares the fans passion for the Arsenal and above all we need to have desire and ambition to be champions again.
Everybody has an opinion on whether Wenger should remain, personally I think he should of been removed already but that is just my opinion. The trouble is when the time comes and Wenger goes can we trust this board to pick the right manager to replace him........ answer NO we can't. With every passing day it becomes more and more apparent that our current board do not give a fuck about success only making money. I realise many of you on here already know that we are and have been for some time a club in decline. But I still see far too many fans in full support of the club and back every decision they make.
Do not be lulled into believing this mini revival is anything but that...... a couple of good games and everything is rosy in the Wenger garden. If we win every game until the end of the season and finish in the top 4..... great.
It does not mean though that the problem has gone away, That will not happen until we have a new board, a board who have the vision and ambition to take us back to the top!

Kroenke out!!

Where's US Marty when you need him

[Dan_85]

We have a manager who gleefully admitted to the press he would be "happy to finish 2nd for the next twenty years". What's the point in even trying when BS like that is coming from the club? Imagine Fergie coming out with something like that?!

[Brady's left peg]

We have a manager who gleefully admitted to the press he would be "happy to finish 2nd for the next twenty years". What's the point in even trying when BS like that is coming from the club? Imagine Fergie coming out with something like that?!

Precisely my point, bar a couple of players and the majority of the fans (no doubt there's a few Wenger supporters who would be happy with second too) the club have no ambition whatsoever! And this has got to change!

Kroenke out!!

[highburyJD]

I guess I'm a 'Wenger supporter', in that I wouldn't have already fired him
but I'm def not happy with 2nd - my hope is Wenger returns us to the promised land

this does not mean keeping us alive whilst we're in the desert is a pointless exercise
I want us to be better, still true that it would be very easy for us to be worse

[Top Londoner]

I guess I'm a 'Wenger supporter', in that I wouldn't have already fired him
but I'm def not happy with 2nd - my hope is Wenger returns us to the promised land

this does not mean keeping us alive whilst we're in the desert is a pointless exercise
I want us to be better, still true that it would be very easy for us to be worse

Good luck with that JD.
How many more seasons/transfer markets would you give him to do this?

If the bloke is happy to finish 2nd at best, by my reckoning, we're all going to be pensioners before, if ever, he brings success to Arsenal again.

[VoiceOfReason]

The club doesn't have the time to negotiate lucractive sponsorship deals because they're too busy figuring out ways to get more money from the fans.

[augie]

If I was the head honcho at some multi-national mega business then there isnt a way in the world I would want to commit my firms money to sponsor AFC - I know lefty disagree's and claims that we are still a huge name in world football but for how much longer will that last if we continue to lose our best players and remain trophyless ? People keep banging on the drum about how the victims still have sponsorship appeal despite not having won a league in over 20 years but in that time they have won champions league's, fa cup's and league cups and their "barren" spells never last more than a few years

[northbank123]

Fair point Augie but the concept of sponsorship isn't based around success as much as it is around exposure. Standard Chartered and Warrior haven't thrown money at Liverpool because they won the FA Cup and Champions League best part of a decade ago - they do it because there are still millions of fans around the world who buy Liverpool merchandise, subscribe to official LFC online products etc even though they're probably only the 7th best team in the PL. The fact that the club did that documentary and is having a real go at getting the brand out there in the huge American market is of far more value to a sponsor than whether they win a domestic cup, for example.

At Arsenal as long as we continue to fill the bowl, play in the CL and have our contests with United, Chelsea etc billed as "heavyweight" clashes, and as long as we keep doing tours of the Far East, we will continue to reap in generous sponsorship deals. Even if this drought continues. I don't think there's a realistic prospect of them becoming synonymous with failure, more a case of being able to burn their brand/logo into the retinas of anybody that watches the club.

Didn't R&W's open letter state that Gazidis had cold-called a huge mobile phone company regarding a meeting to discuss prospective sponsorship without realising that Usmanov was the majority shareholder???? Amateur hour or what?

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

If I was the head honcho at some multi-national mega business then there isnt a way in the world I would want to commit my firms money to sponsor AFC - I know lefty disagree's and claims that we are still a huge name in world football but for how much longer will that last if we continue to lose our best players and remain trophyless ? People keep banging on the drum about how the victims still have sponsorship appeal despite not having won a league in over 20 years but in that time they have won champions league's, fa cup's and league cups and their "barren" spells never last more than a few years

Somebody call

I just go with the numbers mate, shirt sales, fb followers etc and they all point to us being a HUGE name in world football...........it's not my fault

I sometimes think that the Arsene haters on here are so desperate for an excuse to slag the man off that they would actually hope we became a "small" team (not "The Time Bandits" type of small DB) thus giving them the perfect ammo with which to hit the man.

In fairness it is Wenger who has made us such a worldwide supported team, no



Could be wrong.....

[augie]

If I was the head honcho at some multi-national mega business then there isnt a way in the world I would want to commit my firms money to sponsor AFC - I know lefty disagree's and claims that we are still a huge name in world football but for how much longer will that last if we continue to lose our best players and remain trophyless ? People keep banging on the drum about how the victims still have sponsorship appeal despite not having won a league in over 20 years but in that time they have won champions league's, fa cup's and league cups and their "barren" spells never last more than a few years

Somebody call

I just go with the numbers mate, shirt sales, fb followers etc and they all point to us being a HUGE name in world football...........it's not my fault

I sometimes think that the Arsene haters on here are so desperate for an excuse to slag the man off that they would actually hope we became a "small" team (not "The Time Bandits" type of small DB) thus giving them the perfect ammo with which to hit the man.

In fairness it is Wenger who has made us such a worldwide supported team, no



Could be wrong.....

Lefty I agree 100% that it was wenger that put us on the world stage and believe it or not my post wasnt aimed at him at all My gripe, and if I read it correctly is what this thread is about, is the failings of the board - yes wenger is responsible for the ridiculous contracts handed out to shite like bendtner, denilson and diaby but at what point are the board going to reign him in ? If there is money to spend (as wenger himself has proclaimed) then at what point are they gonna pull him on his "happy to finish 2nd" remark, and force him to aim higher and purchase higher quality players ? At what point are the board going to stop the flow of talented players departing from our club in a bid to win medals ?

[Brady's left peg]

If I was the head honcho at some multi-national mega business then there isnt a way in the world I would want to commit my firms money to sponsor AFC - I know lefty disagree's and claims that we are still a huge name in world football but for how much longer will that last if we continue to lose our best players and remain trophyless ? People keep banging on the drum about how the victims still have sponsorship appeal despite not having won a league in over 20 years but in that time they have won champions league's, fa cup's and league cups and their "barren" spells never last more than a few years

Somebody call

I just go with the numbers mate, shirt sales, fb followers etc and they all point to us being a HUGE name in world football...........it's not my fault

I sometimes think that the Arsene haters on here are so desperate for an excuse to slag the man off that they would actually hope we became a "small" team (not "The Time Bandits" type of small DB) thus giving them the perfect ammo with which to hit the man.

In fairness it is Wenger who has made us such a worldwide supported team, no



Could be wrong.....

Lefty I agree 100% that it was wenger that put us on the world stage and believe it or not my post wasnt aimed at him at all My gripe, and if I read it correctly is what this thread is about, is the failings of the board - yes wenger is responsible for the ridiculous contracts handed out to shite like bendtner, denilson and diaby but at what point are the board going to reign him in ? If there is money to spend (as wenger himself has proclaimed) then at what point are they gonna pull him on his "happy to finish 2nd" remark, and force him to aim higher and purchase higher quality players ? At what point are the board going to stop the flow of talented players departing from our club in a bid to win medals ?

Yes augie I started this thread to point out the boards failings rather than Wengers, although he is nowhere near blameless. It is very difficult to sell the club when we have so little ambition, and that lack of ambition has trickled down from board level tainting everyone else.

Kroenke out!

[QuartzGooner]

With a modern stadium a stones throw from the City (Financial District) and West End, and a long history of top level football, and many years of Champions League football, we represent an attractive investment for sponsors.

But not nearly as attractive as we could be with more money spent on players, and a manager who can organise defence better!

[highburyJD]

does it just feel like this to a fan? but seems to me we have a HUGE web presence
millions of bloggers, websites etc etc maybe more than anyone else...