THE BOARD - Kroenke, Usmanov, Finances, AGM etc.

[highburyJD]

Finances

you have read the title of this thread haven't you flash...?

[flash gunner]

Finances

you have read the title of this thread haven't you flash...?

Yep

[Arsenal Till I Die]

The expenditure required to make us a team genuinely capable of winning the PL would far outstrip the revenue it generated even if we actually won the thing.

The knock on effect on Arsenal winning the PL would generate millions in fan bases across the world wanting to buy standard merchandise not including celebration/''champions'' merchandise which we be a quid or two more expensive than standard stock, season ticket renewals, stadium tours, opportunities to have fans have a picture next to the trophy. Alright it won't cause us to break even but it will still generate more revenue then we're generating now.

[northbank123]

What also riles me is people think we're complaining because he's not pumping HIS OWN money in.

up till the new TV/shirt/sponsorship deals, extra spending would have been his money though...
signing up 6 players last season was relatively well timed
will hopefully mitigate against huge wage rises (even though Feo is marginally overpaid)

How so? It may have reduced the value of his shareholding but it's not HIS money unless he's actually loaning/giving it to the club. Spending revenue and even operating at a loss doesn't mean we're spending HIS money, even if he is majority shareholder.

ATID - It would increase our revenue streams somewhat but it would be dwarfed by the fact we'd have to spend at least £70m in transfer fees and probably something like another £15m/year more in wages.

[georgeknows89]

north bank123 - And another point, it's the board who run the club and not the shareholders.

trying to be diplomatic as possible- what a load of bollox mate.

I keep seeing in numerous forums,blogs , tweets etc people going on about 'sack the board' etc etc the board this the board that but not one board member besides SK owns 1 share and IG might operationally and strategically manage/run the club but SK owns/controls/runs the club and the others are a bunch of yes men puppets.

This is completely different to the Dein/Fiszman/Carr / Nina days

In any business if the board vote on something that the shareholders disagree with then, especially with a majority shareholder scenario , they overide them by calling a shareholders meeting to get their way so the current board is merely cosmetic.

Nothing has changed, only a change in shareholder will result in any strategy change.Nothing might happen but last year Usmanov was too far from 30% to do anything, now that he is there ( he has the 5 shares needed but not declared ) i think the summer might be lively off the pitch

[Arsenal Till I Die]

ATID - It would increase our revenue streams somewhat but it would be dwarfed by the fact we'd have to spend at least £70m in transfer fees and probably something like another £15m/year more in wages.

I don't think it will cost £70m to turn us into title winners. Perhaps £30-40m but not £70 but I do get where you're coming from, mate.

To just, underline what I meant earlier is that although we will never recoup what we spent to become champions in any way we will still make more money after being crowned champions then we are now and if we continue to win things, be it cups or PL titles then we still be earning more. As long as we are properly competing then we are inclined to make more money.

Nothing has changed, only a change in shareholder will result in any strategy change.Nothing might happen but last year Usmanov was too far from 30% to do anything, now that he is there ( he has the 5 shares needed but not declared ) i think the summer might be lively off the pitch

I hope we do see some change. I do believe that Kroenke is holding out on Usmanov to pay out the nose for ownership. I think he will sell without issue given the great offer. If he at least sees a substantial rise on his initial investment then he'll sell.

Any news on this ''consortium'' or was that just bollocks as we all expected?

[Top Londoner]

Finances

Here you go mate.



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[Brady's left peg]

Finances

Here you go mate.



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Ah I had forgotten all about Swiss ramble.
I posted a page or so back about Arsenal only making a profit on the back of property and player sales and there it is for all to see, an annual operating loss. It just goes to show how inefficient we are despite what that prick Gazidis says!

[northbank123]

£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).

I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another. I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.

[DB10GOONER]

£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).

I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another. I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.

Agree with this. I'm a huge fan of what Arteta has done this season but I too don't think he can offer enough in that role over a whole season to win the PL. Not at his age. In the PL that holding/DM role is vital and you need someone top drawer, at their peak to fill it.

[northbank123]

£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).

I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another. I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.

Agree with this. I'm a huge fan of what Arteta has done this season but I too don't think he can offer enough in that role over a whole season to win the PL. Not at his age. In the PL that holding/DM role is vital and you need someone top drawer, at their peak to fill it.

I just think he's a bit too slow. He reads the game well but understandably given where he's played throughout his career he isn't really a natural.

He was brilliant there the first few games this season (which was like watching a completely different team). But as fantastic as it was to watch us play with a focused shape and tactic and generally defend properly, I think it's fair to say we sacrificed a lot of our attacking threat in those games. Sometimes we turn up and are a real threat going forward, and very occasionally we turn up and defend properly, but very rarely (if ever) do we combine the two.

If you're looking for a DM that will allow the midfielders in front of him far more freedom (which realistically has to be the case when you're playing 1 up front) I don't think Arteta makes the grade for a title-winning side now (never mind looking forward) and it seems to me like he is starting to get caught out a bit more and getting dragged into the Song trap of stupid fouling. I think he still has something to offer the squad and could probably do a very good job in the 'DM' role with a bank of four either side of him like the first few games but are such negative tactics ever going to be enough to win titles?

[Arsenal Till I Die]

£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).

I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another.[/quote]

I would buy, personally-

Samir Handanovic - £15m
Adil Rami - £12-£14m
Nigel De Jong - £8-10m
Stevan Jovetic - £20-25m

Minimum of £55m Maximum of £64.

So on reflection I was wrong regarding how much it would take but I still think that spending the that amount of money is beneficial in the long run in terms of financial benefits (relating to the knock on effect post, prior)

I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.

I too am a big Arteta fan but I feel he is only a squad player these days. He has lost a lot of pace and commits too may fouls, stopping any chance of trying to regain possession when chasing a goal. Bayern away in injury time being a prime example.

[StuartL]

My guess is that Kroenke, IF he is in it for the long term, is looking at worldwide TV deals, not just the UK.
That includes things such as official internet sights for highlights during the week after the game, and in flight deals too.

Which are currently available to all signed up members on .com the day after a game in highlight / extended highlights / full 1st half / full 2nd half clips as part of the membership package.

So do you reckon Quartz that the highlight deal will be removed in the future ? As why would signed up Gooners pay for it twice or alternatively at a cost of £35 or (whatever it will be) it may be cheaper to become a red member and view it on your computer than purchase the highlights via another source ?

[QuartzGooner]

My guess is that Kroenke, IF he is in it for the long term, is looking at worldwide TV deals, not just the UK.
That includes things such as official internet sights for highlights during the week after the game, and in flight deals too.

Which are currently available to all signed up members on .com the day after a game in highlight / extended highlights / full 1st half / full 2nd half clips as part of the membership package.

So do you reckon Quartz that the highlight deal will be removed in the future ? As why would signed up Gooners pay for it twice or alternatively at a cost of £35 or (whatever it will be) it may be cheaper to become a red member and view it on your computer than purchase the highlights via another source ?

I am guessing, but I think long term, over five to ten years, there is going to be a FIFA (or whatever body exists then) endorsed website that will carry all the Premiership highlights each week, for all the clubs.
Probably a selection of live games too.
The BBC may stop Match of the Day, which may no longer exist, or it will transform into the new internet show.
This show will be viewable on desktops, laptops, tablets, phablets, phones and internet watches, at stadiums and on planes, ferries, cruise ships and trains.

TV companies around the world may well realise that it is cheaper to provide their own pundits in the local language but share the same footage and format.
In the case of English speaking countries, the pundits will be the same for the whole world.

Viewers will all be viewing on the same site, and will click to select language, and access to other leagues.
The adverts will change according to the I.P. address the show is accessed from.
I think Stan will want in on that deal.

Other websites showing highlights will be heavily policed.
I think there is too much money in it for the TV companies to allow unauthorised streams to operate without penalty.

The Arsenal website will become a merged website and TV channel and Arsenal fans will continue to be able to view it as a standalone product too.

[northbank123]

£30-40m to turn us into title winners? Let's just take stock and where we're at and think that we're going to be over 20 points off this season (quite possibly about 25).

I would say at the moment we would never win the league without a far better keeper and without doubt a top class striker. We'd then need another winger/striker depending on where Podolski would play. Our centre-backs aren't as bad as our system makes them look but they are all still extremely error-prone and I'd say there's a convincing argument we need another.

I would buy, personally-

Samir Handanovic - £15m
Adil Rami - £12-£14m
Nigel De Jong - £8-10m
Stevan Jovetic - £20-25m

Minimum of £55m Maximum of £64.

So on reflection I was wrong regarding how much it would take but I still think that spending the that amount of money is beneficial in the long run in terms of financial benefits (relating to the knock on effect post, prior)

I'm a big Arteta fan but he's 31 and not a holding midfielder in any event despite doing a decent job there this year - couldn't really rely on him playing 45-odd games there and expecting to win the league.

I too am a big Arteta fan but I feel he is only a squad player these days. He has lost a lot of pace and commits too may fouls, stopping any chance of trying to regain possession when chasing a goal. Bayern away in injury time being a prime example.

So we're talking about min £60m really (and I reckon de Jong we wouldn't get anywhere near that cheap). Plus their wages - average of about £70k would be about £15m a year. And even then that would only allow us to compete, despite all the slating of United they have racked up 89 points last year and possibly 96 this year. Really very difficult to justify it as a financial success.