Golden Balls retires

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QuartzGooner wrote:
donaldo wrote:
United fans voted for their best ever team and Beckham was nowhere near it.Fergie got rid 10 years ago but kept Giggs and Scholes for the next decade.Thats all you need to know
He had Ronaldo to take over, and then got rid of Ronaldo too, so selling Beckham does not mean he was a bad player.
It is widely known that rednose (aka: Krusty) got rid of Beckham becasue his profile was getting too big AND he didn't like the way part of that high profile was due to Non-football related stuff (ie) his uggo missus dressing him up like a ken doll in all kinds of silly looking shyte. he was a great passer of the ball and always gave 100%, but beyond that he was just another manure *word censored*.

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QuartzGooner wrote:
donaldo wrote:
United fans voted for their best ever team and Beckham was nowhere near it.Fergie got rid 10 years ago but kept Giggs and Scholes for the next decade.Thats all you need to know
He had Ronaldo to take over, and then got rid of Ronaldo too, so selling Beckham does not mean he was a bad player.
A little economical with the truth there Quartz....... Old purplenose wanted Beckham gone but he didn't want to get rid of Ronaldo, he expressed a desire to leave much the same as RVP did. I'm sure if purplenose had the chance to keep Ronaldo he would of done so. :)

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Brady's left peg wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
donaldo wrote:
United fans voted for their best ever team and Beckham was nowhere near it.Fergie got rid 10 years ago but kept Giggs and Scholes for the next decade.Thats all you need to know
He had Ronaldo to take over, and then got rid of Ronaldo too, so selling Beckham does not mean he was a bad player.
A little economical with the truth there Quartz....... Old purplenose wanted Beckham gone but he didn't want to get rid of Ronaldo, he expressed a desire to leave much the same as RVP did. I'm sure if purplenose had the chance to keep Ronaldo he would of done so. :)
Have to agree with Brady on this one. Also Dive-aldo was a totally different player than Beckham. Dive-aldo ran directly at players and liked to get in the box whereas Beckham was more of a crosser of the ball. Bit of a simplification but still true. Dive-aldo was deffo not a direct replacement as Manure's style of play changed significantly.

Also, Quartz, no one said he was a bad player, what some of us are saying is he wasn't a legendary player or even a truly world class player. His profile, the media and his agent/personal management's marketing work made alot of people perceive him as a legend and as world class. Even George Best said Beckham was limited as a footballer. For me Beckham was a good player that had moments of real brilliance and knew his own limitations, and how best to use his abilities, but was also blessed with a manager that knew how best to use him too. Never world class and never a legend.

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Never world class and never a legend.


Hallelujah.

The sentence with the most truth, ever. FACT

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I never really rated him as a player,(apart from his crossing,and dead ball skills),and didn't go for the whole "cult of Beckham thing",but I was at Martin Keowns testimonial,where Beckham had been told by Real Madrid that he was only allowed to do the kick off and was then to come off.
Fair play to Beckham,he stayed on until it looked like some Real Madrid representatives were about to come on and drag him off.
If I remember correctly,he was replaced by Paul Gascoigne.

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Rugby Gooner wrote:I never really rated him as a player,(apart from his crossing,and dead ball skills),and didn't go for the whole "cult of Beckham thing",but I was at Martin Keowns testimonial,where Beckham had been told by Real Madrid that he was only allowed to do the kick off and was then to come off.
Fair play to Beckham,he stayed on until it looked like some Real Madrid representatives were about to come on and drag him off.
If I remember correctly,he was replaced by Paul Gascoigne.
Yeah, i remember that - he was his own person - at least as much as one can be in such a high profile / glamorous position, another flaw of his was that he stuck with a wife who after he brief flirtation with fame - for all of 10 months?....continued to use him in the same way a pimp whores out BG's butt in ladyland Brazil :D :wink:

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DB10GOONER wrote:
Brady's left peg wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
donaldo wrote:
United fans voted for their best ever team and Beckham was nowhere near it.Fergie got rid 10 years ago but kept Giggs and Scholes for the next decade.Thats all you need to know
He had Ronaldo to take over, and then got rid of Ronaldo too, so selling Beckham does not mean he was a bad player.
A little economical with the truth there Quartz....... Old purplenose wanted Beckham gone but he didn't want to get rid of Ronaldo, he expressed a desire to leave much the same as RVP did. I'm sure if purplenose had the chance to keep Ronaldo he would of done so. :)
Have to agree with Brady on this one. Also Dive-aldo was a totally different player than Beckham. Dive-aldo ran directly at players and liked to get in the box whereas Beckham was more of a crosser of the ball. Bit of a simplification but still true. Dive-aldo was deffo not a direct replacement as Manure's style of play changed significantly.

Also, Quartz, no one said he was a bad player, what some of us are saying is he wasn't a legendary player or even a truly world class player. His profile, the media and his agent/personal management's marketing work made alot of people perceive him as a legend and as world class. Even George Best said Beckham was limited as a footballer. For me Beckham was a good player that had moments of real brilliance and knew his own limitations, and how best to use his abilities, but was also blessed with a manager that knew how best to use him too. Never world class and never a legend.
Brady and DB10

I said on page 2 of Beckham "Good but not great".

My point was that Donaldo saying Beckham's sale by Ferguson was evidence of "That's all you need to know" is far from what would be needed to be known by future generations trying to understand Beckham's appeal and how good he was.

If I was a manager and could replace Beckham with C Ronaldo, I would do it too. But that does not make Beckham a bad player.

I agree that Ferguson thought Beckham was getting too big for his boots.
But "boot" is a key word in all this; the boot that Ferguson kicked towards Beckham's head in the Highbury dressing room had a fair bit to do with Beckham leaving too, I do not believe it was just a decision by Ferguson to offload him, I think Beckham and his advisers would have been looking for a new club from that moment.

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markyp wrote:how can Becks not be a legend if we call Henry one :shock:
:shock: :shock:

Because Henry is our record club goalscorer and was a fucking immense footballer? Touch, pace, strength, technique, finishing. I'm going to have to change my pants in a minute if we keep talking about thierry. Back to golden bollocks

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QuartzGooner wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
Brady's left peg wrote:
QuartzGooner wrote:
donaldo wrote:
United fans voted for their best ever team and Beckham was nowhere near it.Fergie got rid 10 years ago but kept Giggs and Scholes for the next decade.Thats all you need to know
He had Ronaldo to take over, and then got rid of Ronaldo too, so selling Beckham does not mean he was a bad player.
A little economical with the truth there Quartz....... Old purplenose wanted Beckham gone but he didn't want to get rid of Ronaldo, he expressed a desire to leave much the same as RVP did. I'm sure if purplenose had the chance to keep Ronaldo he would of done so. :)
Have to agree with Brady on this one. Also Dive-aldo was a totally different player than Beckham. Dive-aldo ran directly at players and liked to get in the box whereas Beckham was more of a crosser of the ball. Bit of a simplification but still true. Dive-aldo was deffo not a direct replacement as Manure's style of play changed significantly.

Also, Quartz, no one said he was a bad player, what some of us are saying is he wasn't a legendary player or even a truly world class player. His profile, the media and his agent/personal management's marketing work made alot of people perceive him as a legend and as world class. Even George Best said Beckham was limited as a footballer. For me Beckham was a good player that had moments of real brilliance and knew his own limitations, and how best to use his abilities, but was also blessed with a manager that knew how best to use him too. Never world class and never a legend.
Brady and DB10

I said on page 2 of Beckham "Good but not great".

My point was that Donaldo saying Beckham's sale by Ferguson was evidence of "That's all you need to know" is far from what would be needed to be known by future generations trying to understand Beckham's appeal and how good he was.

If I was a manager and could replace Beckham with C Ronaldo, I would do it too. But that does not make Beckham a bad player.

I agree that Ferguson thought Beckham was getting too big for his boots.
But "boot" is a key word in all this; the boot that Ferguson kicked towards Beckham's head in the Highbury dressing room had a fair bit to do with Beckham leaving too, I do not believe it was just a decision by Ferguson to offload him, I think Beckham and his advisers would have been looking for a new club from that moment.
I'm not saying Beckham was a bad player Quartz........ And if you just look at set pieces, crosses and passing ability he may possibly be considered world class. Unfortunately his one footedness (is that a word), lack of pace, aerial ability and a few other things preclude him from being a member of that elite group.
I agree with you...... good not great. :)

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LDB wrote:
markyp wrote:how can Becks not be a legend if we call Henry one :shock:
:shock: :shock:

Because Henry is our record club goalscorer and was a fucking immense footballer? Touch, pace, strength, technique, finishing. I'm going to have to change my pants in a minute if we keep talking about thierry. Back to golden bollocks
but henry was only a legend to us as an arsenal player,ask juventus and barca if hes a legend,they will say no.also you cant compare a striker to a midfielder or a defender,was maldini never a legend just because he didnt score bags of goals,or have pace.beckham was one of the best in the world his position at his peek,that makes him a legend,ask any pro who played alongside him or knew him,they cant all be wrong,except waddle who is a complete tw@t anyway.

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To be fair not many players actually come out and trash talk their contemporaries, and even fewer pundits are likely to commit career suicide by talking negatively about possibly the most popular player to English football fans.

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Rugby Gooner wrote:I never really rated him as a player,(apart from his crossing,and dead ball skills),.
me neither, and the cross was one cross but he perfected it and his free kick.

what i will give him credit for is his performance in the Greece game at OT where he ran round like a mad man in the 2nd half - hassling, harrassing and tackling, and got us back in the game when the rest of the team were pretty dire and apathetic.

he was a flash bastard on and off the pitch, that's why the 'cult' and chicks dig him. even mine :banghead:

i never really hated him as much as Keane, as Beckham never seemed to score against us (?) - i also hated scholes, butt, and neville because they were untalented mouthy little twats who only got into the England squad because of who they played for, and that stopped me watching and following England abroad.

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