Olivier Giroud - Another Alan Smith or "Le Chapman"?

[gavbacon]

And a massive total of 1 PL goal away from home too......a stormer of a season. More strikers from France please Arsene

Very strange indeed!

If you believe the reports, we're in the hunt for a 20 year old french division 2 striker, happy days...!

[Top Londoner]

His goal should be to angle for a move to a ligue deux team where he will look like a good striker.
Fucking hell, what is it with people on here?
He is as mediocre as most of our squad, and it ain't good enough. Unless you consider 4th to be good enough, and 1 PL away goal.
Get a grip please.

[gavbacon]

I agree, just trying to be optimistic... for me, it's the second season is where he needs to really prove himself.

[BournemouthRED]

I like him, I always like to Judge players after 2 seasons.

He's got decent hair and my mrs likes him too

[DB10GOONER]

hmmm... compared to utter shite we've had in our strikeforce recently like Vela, Camel, Forehead and BendyPinkBoots, I'd say Giroud is fucking brilliant. Compared to most strikers in the PL? I'd say he's a slightly better than average striker that could deliver more if used correctly (in a fucking 4-4-2 Arsene you utter plank ) but certainly no world beater.

I've given him a year rather than whining like a mong about him from day one, and ultimately he's as good as most of the players around him in our squad, which says as much about our squad as it does about his ability. But is that good enough for Arsenal? No, not near good enough.

Of course this relates to our ambition as a club. To scrap for fourth place every year or win trophies? Giroud is good enough to help us scrap for 4th, but ultimately not good enough to win trophies. That's not to say he's a shit player, he's not, but he is just average really.

But then the problem we have is our squad is littered with average and poor quality players. If Giroud is not good enough then he joins the likes of Squillaci, Diaby, Ramsey, Arshavin, Mannone, Flappyhandski, Forehead, FrimpSong, Santos, Djourou, Bendtner, LegoHead, Camel, and probably controversially Sagna (this season anyway).

[donaldo]

I like him, I always like to Judge players after 2 seasons.

So it took you 2 seasons to judge how shite Gervinho Squillaci and Santos were while the rest of us could tell after 5 games

[highburyJD]

But then the problem we have is our squad is littered with average and poor quality players. If Giroud is not good enough then he joins the likes of Squillaci, Diaby, Ramsey, Arshavin, Mannone, Flappyhandski, Forehead, FrimpSong, Santos, Djourou, Bendtner, LegoHead, Camel, and probably controversially Sagna (this season anyway).

is 'LegoHead" Arteta? Personally think he's one of the best ball relaying deep midfielders around, up there with Bousquets.

I think your list is a little harsh, there are some that have never been good enough:
Squillaci, Frimpong, Santos

some that have had a brief false dawn then dipped so alarmingly no Gooner wants them:
Arshavin, Chamkh (guessing that's who 'camel' is, ain't many camels in SouthWest France) you could stick Mannone and Flappy in here, Gervinho does go past a man..., Bendtner got a few important goals, Djourou had that unbeaten run
happy for them all to continue their careers elsewhere

but you lump in some players of quality hurt by injury in Diaby and Rambo. Diaby we may have seen the last of but Rambo has totally turned around his form. A real asset who puts in amazing shifts and can play many positions. Would never put him on the same level as Squillaci or Santos.

And Sagna who's top class but has had recent patchy form (and some great games). Given a choice I'd have one more year of Bac: small wage increase + a release cause. Give Jenks and Bellerin time to bed down.

[northbank123]

But then the problem we have is our squad is littered with average and poor quality players. If Giroud is not good enough then he joins the likes of Squillaci, Diaby, Ramsey, Arshavin, Mannone, Flappyhandski, Forehead, FrimpSong, Santos, Djourou, Bendtner, LegoHead, Camel, and probably controversially Sagna (this season anyway).

is 'LegoHead" Arteta? Personally think he's one of the best ball relaying deep midfielders around, up there with Bousquets.

I think your list is a little harsh, there are some that have never been good enough:
Squillaci, Frimpong, Santos

some that have had a brief false dawn then dipped so alarmingly no Gooner wants them:
Arshavin, Chamkh (guessing that's who 'camel' is, ain't many camels in SouthWest France) you could stick Mannone and Flappy in here, Gervinho does go past a man..., Bendtner got a few important goals, Djourou had that unbeaten run
happy for them all to continue their careers elsewhere

but you lump in some players of quality hurt by injury in Diaby and Rambo. Diaby we may have seen the last of but Rambo has totally turned around his form. A real asset who puts in amazing shifts and can play many positions. Would never put him on the same level as Squillaci or Santos.

And Sagna who's top class but has had recent patchy form (and some great games). Given a choice I'd have one more year of Bac: small wage increase + a release cause. Give Jenks and Bellerin time to bed down.

Stop it.

And whilst I agree Ramsey isn't deserving of anything like the same label as others there (and would go as far as to say he's been a fairly important players in our run-in) I don't think the intricate detail of who is shitter out of various players who aren't good enough for us is relevant.

[highburyJD]

I've said I think Tets and Rambo are good enough and the rest aren't...
it's hardly an exhaustive list

[spike241]

I've said I think Tets and Rambo are good enough and the rest aren't...
it's hardly an exhaustive list

Arteta isn't LegoHead. Isn't that Denilson?

[northbank123]

LegoHead = Denilson I believe.

Fair enough about Ramsey - I wouldn't necessarily be averse to retaining him as a back-up option because I think he's really proved that he can do a job of sorts. I just wouldn't want him to get anywhere near as much playing time as he has last two years when he's not playing well.

[highburyJD]

Arteta's haircut is far more solid, plastic and Lego-ish than Denilson's
(kindof forgot about Denilson when trying to work out who it was...)

[DB10GOONER]

But then the problem we have is our squad is littered with average and poor quality players. If Giroud is not good enough then he joins the likes of Squillaci, Diaby, Ramsey, Arshavin, Mannone, Flappyhandski, Forehead, FrimpSong, Santos, Djourou, Bendtner, LegoHead, Camel, and probably controversially Sagna (this season anyway).

is 'LegoHead" Arteta? Personally think he's one of the best ball relaying deep midfielders around, up there with Bousquets.

I think your list is a little harsh, there are some that have never been good enough:
Squillaci, Frimpong, Santos

some that have had a brief false dawn then dipped so alarmingly no Gooner wants them:
Arshavin, Chamkh (guessing that's who 'camel' is, ain't many camels in SouthWest France) you could stick Mannone and Flappy in here, Gervinho does go past a man..., Bendtner got a few important goals, Djourou had that unbeaten run
happy for them all to continue their careers elsewhere

but you lump in some players of quality hurt by injury in Diaby and Rambo. Diaby we may have seen the last of but Rambo has totally turned around his form. A real asset who puts in amazing shifts and can play many positions. Would never put him on the same level as Squillaci or Santos.

And Sagna who's top class but has had recent patchy form (and some great games). Given a choice I'd have one more year of Bac: small wage increase + a release cause. Give Jenks and Bellerin time to bed down.

Don't be a dick. LegoHead is that cúnt that jogged back after Grannyshagger with a retarded smile on his face. Remember him?

Arteta is quality.

That list contains players that are not good enough or reliable enough to help Arsenal win a title, for various reasons; shitness, injury-proness (is that a word?!) and general lack of consistent form. Many of them have and will continue to help us “achieve” 4th place, but that’s not what I’m talking about, as you well know.

I list Ramsey and Diaby because Diaby has delivered the grand sum total of fuck all. Yeah he had that one great game 2 seasons ago, and the 3 great games the year before and the 2 and a bit the otherzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. The fucking guy is useless. Give his wage to someone that can play more than 3 games in a row without getting injured.

Ramsey has not turned it around for me. He’s improved over the last 4 or 5 games, but against the Toon he was back to pissing passes straight into touch, losing possession cheaply, and making the wrong decisions, to the point where his team mates are giving out shit to him on the pitch ffs. Ramsey works hard and runs around alot, but ultimately he’s had 4 or 5 good-ish games in the last 2 years. Again, probably good enough to help us “achieve” 4th but not good enough to win titles.

[highburyJD]

Rambo was frustratingly poor on the ball v the Barcodes but that hasn't been the case since Xmas
he's totally changed my opinion this season - his engine and closing down changes the tempo of games
I'd def keep him as a squad player a la Romford Pele

[DB10GOONER]

Rambo was frustratingly poor on the ball v the Barcodes but that hasn't been the case since Xmas
he's totally changed my opinion this season - his engine and closing down changes the tempo of games
I'd def keep him as a squad player a la Romford Pele

And there is the crux of the problem JD. You'd keep him as a squad player. I'd let him go, but at a push might keep him as a squad player. Arsene Wenger sees him as a starter. An every game type starter. Yeah, great, if your ambition doesn't stretch past 4th place, but not so good if you want to win the league.