Euro 2013 u21s

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worthing_gooner wrote:Agree on all the comments made on grass roots football. I used to coach an Under 12 team up in South London, tried to allow the players freedom to go and express themselves on the pitch without having to worry too much about the result. Trouble is, some of the parents would turn up screaming at their kid.

One time, we had quite a skillfull tricky lad, had a lot of potential, but I remember one match he tried a turn back through the opposition player's legs and lost the ball, the oppo went and scored. One of the parents went absolutely mental at him for "costing us the points"... seriously? Who gives a fuck about points at that age? The kid tried something. Imagine if a young Messi was playing over here, every time he tried something they'd shout at him to play it safe and not try anything stupid. Any flair or technical ability a player has is coached out of him before he's even hit his teenage years, through fear of losing a match and pissing someone off as much as anything.

Trouble is, as usual the FA come out and blame Premier League clubs and foreign imports and all that. They need to look a lot closer to home.

Also can't tell you how strongly I agree with the smaller pitch thing. No young player should ever be playing on a full size pitch. Pitches should gradually increase in size as the player goes up the age groups, but by starting with smaller more compact pitches, they learn the crucial skills of touch, vision, technique and awareness, which (not coincidentally) happen to be the very skills English players lack.

Until youth football coaching and emphasis changes here, we will have the same problems over and over with our national sides.
Another spot on post. It's crazy how obvious it is to people who have a clue about football, how in the hell do the journalists and the FA (by and large) overlook it? Yes there are token comments about youth football but the majority of the time you hear "there are too many foreigners in the PL". There's an article (in the daily mail admittedly) where the journalist tries using Sunderland as an example of why the england under 21s fail (doubt anyone will want to read it but its here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/articl ... amuel.html anyway).

Blaming a club (as an example, so he's basically blaming all clubs) for bringing in foreign players is totally missing the point. It is actually much, much easier for Sunderland to sign up a 13/14/ 15 year old from Durham or Arsenal to sign a 13/ 14/ 15 year old from Islington than it is for either to go and source a Belgian youngster and bring him over. The clubs would take on English youths and bring them through if they were good enough. The trouble is that the Belgian/ Dutch/ German/ Spanish etc kids at that age tend to be considerably more developed technically than their English counterparts and when trying to sign a player that could make the breakthrough to your first team after receiving top class coaching for a few years it makes a lot more sense to go for the kid that has the basics, the rest of it you can develop with coaching but if you don't have a first touch or can't pass a ball at 14/15 there's very little hope for you.

We need to work on making sure that kids develop enough technically at a young age so that clubs can take them on, the only thing I'd say that some clubs do which I don't agree with is taking kids on too young, one of me lasses kids teammates (who is also 10 years old) was snapped up by Man City last season, they gave his dad a job and a house to get around some rule about the radius you can take the kids from and, for me, that's far too early to be moving them into the cut throat world of trying to make it at a club, these kids might get the coaching they need but they don't get the schooling (meaning that if you're in the vast majority that don't make it you're pretty much on the scrap heap) and they don't get the chance to be kids.

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Agree with you there safc - far too convenient to blame TV money and clubs' greed whereas in reality it's not ideal for the clubs to have to shop abroad for quality. It's not necessarily that English players are getting worse - it's just that England has by and large ignored the monumental coaching developments in the last two decades. England has stood still whilst other countries have moved on.

Truth is it comes down to cultural attitudes. There is still a level of sentimentality attached to the gritty, backs against the wall 1-0 win here that would baffle fans and coaches in other countries. Although I would never align myself with the sorts of neanderthal parents you get at some kids' games I'm not going to pretend I'm some sort of purist. For example, last year I played in a cup final against a team that beat us to our league title. We scored after 3 minutes and then defended and withstood everything they had until we scored a clincher in the 97th minute. Playing in goal I wasted every single second of those 94 minutes in between that I could and I have to be honest - winning in that manner was probably felt better to me than it would have if we'd completely outplayed them.

It's easy to say that people's attitudes need to change but monumentally overhauling a nation's overt and underlying attitude towards football and winning is a nigh-on impossible task. There's no quick-fix. It goes much much much further than bringing in staff dedicated to technical development rather than winning at all costs in the national set-up, or changing the pitch size for 11-13 year olds - but it's the right place to start and you then have to hope that the FA have the bottle to stick to it and that in the decades to come it starts to filter down to academies, and then through to regional youth sides and infiltrates deeper into grass-roots football.

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Part of me feels sorry for Pearce, he's being made a scapegoat for England u21's failings in what is an incredibly slow football news week... The other part of me sees v Norway Pearce throws his centre back Caulkner up front for the last 5 minutes when losing 3-1 - surely this suggests either a lack of personnel or ideas?

It's only recently I've regained some interest in the England set up due to our relatively new contingent regularly in the full squad - Wilshere, Walcott, Gibbs and Chamberlain are all regulars.

In days gone by the England u21 team would be packed with Arsenal players, but nowadays almost always has no Arsenal players in, which I guess is a reflection on the Academy's multi-national and poor quality squad.

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hugh jardon wrote:Part of me feels sorry for Pearce, he's being made a scapegoat for England u21's failings in what is an incredibly slow football news week... The other part of me sees v Norway Pearce throws his centre back Caulkner up front for the last 5 minutes when losing 3-1 - surely this suggests either a lack of personnel or ideas?

It's only recently I've regained some interest in the England set up due to our relatively new contingent regularly in the full squad - Wilshere, Walcott, Gibbs and Chamberlain are all regulars.

In days gone by the England u21 team would be packed with Arsenal players, but nowadays almost always has no Arsenal players in, which I guess is a reflection on the Academy's multi-national and poor quality squad.
the following arsenal players are all eligible to play for the under 21,s
sczesny full poland international
jenkinson full england international
frimpong full ghana international
coquelin french under 19/20/21
wilshere full england international
ramsey full wales international
miyachi full japan international
chamberlaine full england international
ansah[played twice for england u 17,s scored in both games
martinez under 17 and 20 for argentina
hayden england u 17 and 18
monteiro portugal under 19
miquel spain u 21
bellerin spain u 17/19
angha swiss under 16/17/18/19
yennaris england under 18/19

aneke england u 18/19
olsson sweden under 17/19
galindo full bolivian international
gnabry german u 16/17/18/19
afobe england under 17/19/21
akpom england u 17/19
iliev macedonia u 17/19
campbell full costa rican international

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beck wrote:
hugh jardon wrote:Part of me feels sorry for Pearce, he's being made a scapegoat for England u21's failings in what is an incredibly slow football news week... The other part of me sees v Norway Pearce throws his centre back Caulkner up front for the last 5 minutes when losing 3-1 - surely this suggests either a lack of personnel or ideas?

It's only recently I've regained some interest in the England set up due to our relatively new contingent regularly in the full squad - Wilshere, Walcott, Gibbs and Chamberlain are all regulars.

In days gone by the England u21 team would be packed with Arsenal players, but nowadays almost always has no Arsenal players in, which I guess is a reflection on the Academy's multi-national and poor quality squad.
the following arsenal players are all eligible to play for the under 21,s
sczesny full poland international
jenkinson full england international
frimpong full ghana international
coquelin french under 19/20/21
wilshere full england international
ramsey full wales international
miyachi full japan international
chamberlaine full england international
ansah[played twice for england u 17,s scored in both games
martinez under 17 and 20 for argentina
hayden england u 17 and 18
monteiro portugal under 19
miquel spain u 21
bellerin spain u 17/19
angha swiss under 16/17/18/19
yennaris england under 18/19
Yaya Sanogo under 20s,u21's

aneke england u 18/19
olsson sweden under 17/19
galindo full bolivian international
gnabry german u 16/17/18/19
afobe england under 17/19/21
akpom england u 17/19
iliev macedonia u 17/19
campbell full costa rican international
If we really have signed him then he is eligible and is going to be playing in the u20s WC in Turkey from next Friday. As far as I can see he is the only Arsenal player at u20s WC. Someone can correct me if that's wrong.

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Gareth Southgate rumoured to be in line for the new manager's job.
Not sure where Pearce goes from here?

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QuartzGooner wrote:Gareth Southgate rumoured to be in line for the new manager's job.
Not sure where Pearce goes from here?
:rubchin:

Not sure I care. Oh, hang on - no, no I don't care. :lol: :wink:

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