THE WENGER THREAD

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afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping. Apart from the fact that you're already 4 or 5 games into the season potentially, clubs get MORE reticent to sell their quality players because they have less time to find a suitable replacement and no time whatsoever to bed them in.

Add to this we only ever really go after players who are unsettled or who their club want to move on - how many quality players who are known to be for sale aren't snapped up by mid-August?

The longer you leave it the more difficult it gets. Although I'm sure Wenger will still manage to appear surprised when nobody wants to sell him top players on the cheap on August 30th.

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Dan_85 wrote:The thing is that Suarez alone won't make much difference. Sure, he'll score goals for us and win us points but equally we'll throw stupid points away due to calamitous defending. Which is why the fact that our entire efforts in the transfer window are now focused on him is pissing me off.

In fact, whichever players we sign won't make a difference anymore. The problem is the manager. I'm convinced that Wenger could inherit the entire Bayern Munich starting 11 and still fail to win the league thanks to a raft of bizarre subs, weird formations, lack of motivation, resting players etc. We've tried so many different combinations of players since 2006 and had no success, at what point do people recognise the common denominator present throughout that period and realise that the problem is Wenger?
Completely agree, he is a busted flush and even if he had Messi in his team he would still try and find a way to fcuk it up. The defending in recent years has been inexcusable. Performances against Bolton, 'Boro, Hull, S'land, Wigan to name a few. The leadership of the past has been replaced with years of petchulant school boys who hang on his every word and then fcuk off has soon as they get the chance, and if no one comes in for them then they run down their contract whilst raking in £50+ a week. This is solely down to one man and it is quite staggering that many (not on here) can't work it out, or refuse to except it. I may be contradicting myself regarding the Suarez deal but it would be only papering over cracks that have been evident to all those to see apart from the GIC and AKBs.

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Dan_85 wrote:The thing is that Suarez alone won't make much difference. Sure, he'll score goals for us and win us points but equally we'll throw stupid points away due to calamitous defending. Which is why the fact that our entire efforts in the transfer window are now focused on him is pissing me off.

In fact, whichever players we sign won't make a difference anymore. The problem is the manager. I'm convinced that Wenger could inherit the entire Bayern Munich starting 11 and still fail to win the league thanks to a raft of bizarre subs, weird formations, lack of motivation, resting players etc. We've tried so many different combinations of players since 2006 and had no success, at what point do people recognise the common denominator present throughout that period and realise that the problem is Wenger?
Great post mate! As you rightly say, Wenger is the problem.

And because of the way Wenger does things, the signings he brings in are almost an irrelevance in terms of how they change the dynamics of his team. Wenger moulds them all to fit into his way of playing. He no longer allows new players to change the style of play so any new signings these days are really just different masks on the same face.

If we buy Suarez, we'll still only finish 4th. I cant see anything beyond that.

And I wonder, if Wenger really is serious about buying Suarez (and I'm still dubious), it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was more about weakening a rival for 4th place as it was anything else. It would almost certainly keep Liverpool at bay for another year at least.




And in response to your question on the transfer thread:

Dan_85 wrote:So at what point do people start getting organised to make their voices heard against this shit?
Something like this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21521060

Probably the ultimate example of where the minority were right and where it was the majority who had been brainwashed or misled into accepting the ideology of a megalomaniac.

Anyone who spoke out or opposed that evil regime would have been labelled traitors and unpatriotic etc. But in the end they proved to be the ones who loved their country more than anyone because they were prepared to risk their own safety to free it from tyranny. They are now viewed as heroes.

I know its jokingly said that people turning against Wenger are turning to the dark side. But in truth its the complete opposite. Anyone now seeing Wenger for what he is, welcome to the light - the truth has set you free! :barscarf:

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afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Do you mean 'top class players' ot "Top, Top Class Players"

Apparently there is a difference in ickle wengy world! :roll: :banghead: :wink:
northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping.
He reminds me of those cheapo people who wait till the supermarket is about to close and when the assistants go around reducing the price on all the perishables - and start piling it all into their basket/trolley

That's wenger to a feckin' "T" - cheapskate *word censored* - I wonder if he darns his socks and the elbows on his jumpers?

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OneBardGooner wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Do you mean 'top class players' ot "Top, Top Class Players"

Apparently there is a difference in ickle wengy world! :roll: :banghead: :wink:
northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping.
He reminds me of those cheapo people who wait till the supermarket is about to close and when the assistants go

around reducing the price on all the perishables - and start piling it all into their basket/trolley



That's wenger to a feckin' "T" - cheapskate *word censored* - I wonder if he darns his socks and the elbows on his jumpers?
Just trying to be positive, and living in hope.
Surely Wenger is not that stupid to know what we need :D
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OneBardGooner wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Do you mean 'top class players' ot "Top, Top Class Players"

Apparently there is a difference in ickle wengy world! :roll: :banghead: :wink:
northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping.
He reminds me of those cheapo people who wait till the supermarket is about to close and when the assistants go

around reducing the price on all the perishables - and start piling it all into their basket/trolley

Just trying to be positive, and living in hope.
Surely Wenger is not that stupid to know what we need :D

That's wenger to a feckin' "T" - cheapskate *word censored* - I wonder if he darns his socks and the elbows on his jumpers?

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afcforever wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Do you mean 'top class players' ot "Top, Top Class Players"

Apparently there is a difference in ickle wengy world! :roll: :banghead: :wink:
northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping.
He reminds me of those cheapo people who wait till the supermarket is about to close and when the assistants go

around reducing the price on all the perishables - and start piling it all into their basket/trolley



That's wenger to a feckin' "T" - cheapskate *word censored* - I wonder if he darns his socks and the elbows on his jumpers?
Just trying to be positive, and living in hope.
Surely Wenger is not that stupid to know what we need :D
Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???

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northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:
OneBardGooner wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Do you mean 'top class players' ot "Top, Top Class Players"

Apparently there is a difference in ickle wengy world! :roll: :banghead: :wink:
northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:The summer window is still open for a whilst, why don't people wait and see who we sign before getting too excited?
I still believe we will sign a couple of top class players.
Like who? I'm astounded that Wenger is always convinced that late August is the best time to go shopping.
He reminds me of those cheapo people who wait till the supermarket is about to close and when the assistants go

around reducing the price on all the perishables - and start piling it all into their basket/trolley



That's wenger to a feckin' "T" - cheapskate *word censored* - I wonder if he darns his socks and the elbows on his jumpers?
Just trying to be positive, and living in hope.
Surely Wenger is not that stupid to know what we need :D
Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???
To be honest, Fabregas was always going to be hard to replace.
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing :D

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afcforever wrote:
northbank123 wrote:Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???
To be honest, Fabregas was always going to be hard to replace.
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing :D
We were going to struggle to replace him directly - but sticking his head in the sand and pretending Fabregas wasn't going and then expecting a player who had struggled for matchtime and form since a horrific injury to play twice as well as he had before in an unfamiliar role hardly smacks of a bloke who knows how to shore up weaknesses.

Don't sidestep the point - Wenger has horrifically failed to strengthen the areas that have been crying out for it the past two summers - why is it inconceivable that he'll do it again this summer (particularly given our inactivity thus far)? The only point I'd cling onto is that is took him a year to bring in Cazorla to plug the creative gap so fingers crossed he's only going to have wasted one season looking to plug the striker gap.

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northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:
northbank123 wrote:Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???
To be honest, Fabregas was always going to be hard to replace.
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing :D
We were going to struggle to replace him directly - but sticking his head in the sand and pretending Fabregas wasn't going and then expecting a player who had struggled for matchtime and form since a horrific injury to play twice as well as he had before in an unfamiliar role hardly smacks of a bloke who knows how to shore up weaknesses.

Don't sidestep the point - Wenger has horrifically failed to strengthen the areas that have been crying out for it the past two summers - why is it inconceivable that he'll do it again this summer (particularly given our inactivity thus far)? The only point I'd cling onto is that is took him a year to bring in Cazorla to plug the creative gap so fingers crossed he's only going to have wasted one season looking to plug the striker gap.
Ramsey and Coquelin were the two midfielders he signed in the Summer following the departure of Flamini, Gilberto and Diarra

What a genius - only the Coach of the Decade could do such a fantastic rebuilding job. Oh and he paid as much money for those two as he recouped on the other three

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Clash wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:The thing is that Suarez alone won't make much difference. Sure, he'll score goals for us and win us points but equally we'll throw stupid points away due to calamitous defending. Which is why the fact that our entire efforts in the transfer window are now focused on him is pissing me off.

In fact, whichever players we sign won't make a difference anymore. The problem is the manager. I'm convinced that Wenger could inherit the entire Bayern Munich starting 11 and still fail to win the league thanks to a raft of bizarre subs, weird formations, lack of motivation, resting players etc. We've tried so many different combinations of players since 2006 and had no success, at what point do people recognise the common denominator present throughout that period and realise that the problem is Wenger?
Great post mate! As you rightly say, Wenger is the problem.

And because of the way Wenger does things, the signings he brings in are almost an irrelevance in terms of how they change the dynamics of his team. Wenger moulds them all to fit into his way of playing. He no longer allows new players to change the style of play so any new signings these days are really just different masks on the same face.

If we buy Suarez, we'll still only finish 4th. I cant see anything beyond that.

And I wonder, if Wenger really is serious about buying Suarez (and I'm still dubious), it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was more about weakening a rival for 4th place as it was anything else. It would almost certainly keep Liverpool at bay for another year at least.




And in response to your question on the transfer thread:

Dan_85 wrote:So at what point do people start getting organised to make their voices heard against this shit?
Something like this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21521060

Probably the ultimate example of where the minority were right and where it was the majority who had been brainwashed or misled into accepting the ideology of a megalomaniac.

Anyone who spoke out or opposed that evil regime would have been labelled traitors and unpatriotic etc. But in the end they proved to be the ones who loved their country more than anyone because they were prepared to risk their own safety to free it from tyranny. They are now viewed as heroes.

I know its jokingly said that people turning against Wenger are turning to the dark side. But in truth its the complete opposite. Anyone now seeing Wenger for what he is, welcome to the light - the truth has set you free! :barscarf:
And there's me thinking it was the albums stashed under the bed...... :D :wink:

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afcforever wrote:
Just trying to be positive, and living in hope.
Surely Wenger is not that stupid to know what we need :D
Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???[/quote]
To be honest, Fabregas was always going to be hard to replace.
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wine :D[/quote]

:shock: :shock: :shock: Didn't know the lad had a plonk problem!?

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northbank123 wrote:
afcforever wrote:
northbank123 wrote:Like when he failed to identify that Aaron Ramsey wasn't capable of replacing Fabregas/Nasri's creativity, or like when he thought that Giroud would be able to step into van Judas' role???
To be honest, Fabregas was always going to be hard to replace.
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing :D
We were going to struggle to replace him directly - but sticking his head in the sand and pretending Fabregas wasn't going and then expecting a player who had struggled for matchtime and form since a horrific injury to play twice as well as he had before in an unfamiliar role hardly smacks of a bloke who knows how to shore up weaknesses.

Don't sidestep the point - Wenger has horrifically failed to strengthen the areas that have been crying out for it the past EIGHT summers - why is it inconceivable that he'll do it again this summer (particularly given our inactivity thus far)? The only point I'd cling onto is that is took him a year to bring in Cazorla to plug the creative gap so fingers crossed he's only going to have wasted one season looking to plug the striker gap.
Agree 1,000% - with just a little tweak... :wink:

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Wenger needs to do the honourable thing and step aside. He has to admit he is incapable of taking proper advantage of this so called war chest.

Even he must recognise that he is no longer up to the job.

Decent players simply don't want to play for him and sadly that now means he has tarnished the club.

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Swifty wrote:Wenger needs to do the honourable thing and step aside. He has to admit he is incapable of taking proper advantage of this so called war chest.

Even he must recognise that he is no longer up to the job.

Decent players simply don't want to play for him and sadly that now means he has tarnished the club.

Hounourable and Wenger, in the same breath.
Swifty, lay off the grog mate.

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