THE WENGER THREAD

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Top Londoner wrote:
Swifty wrote:Wenger needs to do the honourable thing and step aside. He has to admit he is incapable of taking proper advantage of this so called war chest.

Even he must recognise that he is no longer up to the job.

Decent players simply don't want to play for him and sadly that now means he has tarnished the club.

Hounourable and Wenger, in the same breath.
Swifty, lay off the grog mate.

:? :lol:
Mate , that was this morning. Now I resemble that remark :-)

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Swifty wrote:Wenger needs to do the honourable thing and step aside. He has to admit he is incapable of taking proper advantage of this so called war chest.

Even he must recognise that he is no longer up to the job.

Decent players simply don't want to play for him and sadly that now means he has tarnished the club.

Swifty, mate. Hope you're well. A few weeks ago, you seemed a pro-Wengerite. What's made you change/ see sense?

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Perryashburtongroves wrote:
Swifty wrote:Wenger needs to do the honourable thing and step aside. He has to admit he is incapable of taking proper advantage of this so called war chest.

Even he must recognise that he is no longer up to the job.

Decent players simply don't want to play for him and sadly that now means he has tarnished the club.

Swifty, mate. Hope you're well. A few weeks ago, you seemed a pro-Wengerite. What's made you change/ see sense?
What's changed? This window is the first time Gazidis has come out and stated that Wenger is not being held back - previously there has always been a presumption of sorts that he was only acting under instructions with his frugalness.
There has been a clear statement this time that we have a lot to spend and will break our salary structure however, as things stand, Wenger appears incapable of presenting the club as an A list destination for A list players. When we moved to The Emirates I did honestly feel it was necessary and that if we could muddle through for a few years we'd become a financial dynamo with the world our Oyster - that time is now but with Wenger we can't take advantage. He obviously doesn't have the nouse, influence, connections nor personality that results in players wanting to play for him.

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Swifty wrote: What's changed? This window is the first time Gazidis has come out and stated that Wenger is not being held back - previously there has always been a presumption of sorts that he was only acting under instructions with his frugalness.
There has been a clear statement this time that we have a lot to spend and will break our salary structure however, as things stand, Wenger appears incapable of presenting the club as an A list destination for A list players. When we moved to The Emirates I did honestly feel it was necessary and that if we could muddle through for a few years we'd become a financial dynamo with the world our Oyster - that time is now but with Wenger we can't take advantage. He obviously doesn't have the nouse, influence, connections nor personality that results in players wanting to play for him.
Not sure if it is because players don't want to play for him, but more to do with that he seems unable to pay up for the player to begin with. It's been said on here many times and I agree with it, that he is the reason that we don't land these players. I remember when we did have the trolley dash a few seasons ago - those deals took no time to get done, which points to one reason why we haven't signed anyone. I am thinking that he doesn't have the nous to pay what is needed - I will bet when he leaves that it will never happen again.

That being said, I hope to God that he doesn't sign a new deal as I can see myself completely turning my back on Arsenal. I know that others have and there is more to life than some wanker like Wenger.

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I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing

That's actually funnier than Arsenal supposedly going after a 50m pound player!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ramsey is average, totally average and a million miles away from being good enough for a supposedly big (sic) team like Arsenal.

Actually in reality, Ramsey is exactly what Arsenal 2013 are all about, inconsistent, incapable, flatters to deceive, full of promise and never delivers. A match made in heaven.

Well done Wanger and Gazidis, £10m a year for the football equivalent of Cannon and Ball. :shock:

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TeeCee wrote:
I personally think Ramsey will have a great season coming up, as long as Wenger keeps him off the wing

That's actually funnier than Arsenal supposedly going after a 50m pound player!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ramsey is average, totally average and a million miles away from being good enough for a supposedly big (sic) team like Arsenal.

Actually in reality, Ramsey is exactly what Arsenal 2013 are all about, inconsistent, incapable, flatters to deceive, full of promise and never delivers. A match made in heaven.

Well done Wanger and Gazidis, £10m a year for the football equivalent of Cannon and Ball. :shock:
Ramsey went through a bad period, had no confidence.
He came back into form towards the end of the season. You can see he has got a good footballing brain.
I think he will have a good season.
(hes got to stop the little flicks that never come off though :))

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Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has given a fascinating insight into what he sees as the similarities between top level business and top level football.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... nt-2099396

Wow, I don't even know where to begin. I could literally pick apart every single sentence.

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For example, earlier today I went for a jog in Saitama, but I couldn't find my way back. I was motivated to come back to the hotel, but I couldn't find my way. So, I was highly motivated and slowly I found my way back.

But what does that show? It shows that motivation is essential but not enough. You also need consistency in your motivation and that is what we try to test in players as well.

For me that is a very underrated quality. I could have said: 'Right, I can't find my way back to the hotel, so let's see if I can find a taxi.' But because I'm a sportsman, I decided not to get a taxi and that I would find my way back, no matter how long it would take me, so I continued to run.
Yes, you could stick to your principles by running for hours, days, or even years yet you would ruin all the muscles in your body, tire yourself out and eventually collapse from exhaustion. Maybe 100 years ago, running back to your hotel would have worked. Yet in 2013 we have taxis. You could have paid the money, got home to the hotel sooner, been in better physical shape and more prepared to beat your personal best on tomorrow's run.

Sound like a familiar analogy?

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Dan_85 wrote:
For example, earlier today I went for a jog in Saitama, but I couldn't find my way back. I was motivated to come back to the hotel, but I couldn't find my way. So, I was highly motivated and slowly I found my way back.

But what does that show? It shows that motivation is essential but not enough. You also need consistency in your motivation and that is what we try to test in players as well.

For me that is a very underrated quality. I could have said: 'Right, I can't find my way back to the hotel, so let's see if I can find a taxi.' But because I'm a sportsman, I decided not to get a taxi and that I would find my way back, no matter how long it would take me, so I continued to run.
Yes, you could stick to your principles by running for hours, days, or even years yet you would ruin all the muscles in your body, tire yourself out and eventually collapse from exhaustion. Maybe 100 years ago, running back to your hotel would have worked. Yet in 2013 we have taxis. You could have paid the money, got home to the hotel sooner, been in better physical shape and more prepared to beat your personal best on tomorrow's run.

Sound like a familiar analogy?
I think he's got something against taxis after an unfortunate incident at the hands :shock: of one of London's finest :wink:

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arseofacrow wrote:
Dan_85 wrote:
For example, earlier today I went for a jog in Saitama, but I couldn't find my way back. I was motivated to come back to the hotel, but I couldn't find my way. So, I was highly motivated and slowly I found my way back.

But what does that show? It shows that motivation is essential but not enough. You also need consistency in your motivation and that is what we try to test in players as well.

For me that is a very underrated quality. I could have said: 'Right, I can't find my way back to the hotel, so let's see if I can find a taxi.' But because I'm a sportsman, I decided not to get a taxi and that I would find my way back, no matter how long it would take me, so I continued to run.
Yes, you could stick to your principles by running for hours, days, or even years yet you would ruin all the muscles in your body, tire yourself out and eventually collapse from exhaustion. Maybe 100 years ago, running back to your hotel would have worked. Yet in 2013 we have taxis. You could have paid the money, got home to the hotel sooner, been in better physical shape and more prepared to beat your personal best on tomorrow's run.

Sound like a familiar analogy?
I think he's got something against taxis after an unfortunate incident at the hands :shock: of one of London's finest :wink:
Did said taxi driver take Wenger to Whitstable wearing nothing but a leopard print thong?

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Dan_85 wrote:
Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger has given a fascinating insight into what he sees as the similarities between top level business and top level football.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... nt-2099396

Wow, I don't even know where to begin. I could literally pick apart every single sentence.

Jeeezuss where on earth do we begin?... :rubchin: Uhmmmmmmmmm I know may be if we all take a couple of examples each and give it the ole OnlineGoonerTest :wink:

"For example, earlier today I went for a jog in Saitama, but I couldn't find my way back. I was motivated to come back to the hotel, but I couldn't find my way. So, I was highly motivated and slowly I found my way back.


I could have said: 'Right, I can't find my way back to the hotel, so let's see if I can find a taxi.' But because I'm a sportsman, I decided not to get a taxi and that I would find my way back, no matter how long it would take me, "

Why oh why didn't that happen in N5 or any part of Islington - he would have had a free ride straight to the feckin' airport :banghead:

OR


"When you look at people who are successful, you will find that they aren't the people who are motivated, but have consistency in their motivation.
You have many people who start diets on the January 1. Some of them last until mid-January, some give up mid-June and some of them last. We are interested in the ones that last because that makes a successful sportsman.

oh! Yeah!! Well what the feck happened to Santos and Arshavin then????(aka: Bubble Butt and Bulging Brazilian!)

What an Utter, UTTER Load of testicles !

Taxi for Mr Wenger I'm Paying! :twisted:

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Firstly, he's not a fucking economist. He has an economics degree and no professional experience - as he so often likes to tell us he's worked in football for over 3 decades. I have plenty of mates who have economics degrees from red-brick universities and half of them can't tell their arse from their elbow so people need to stop holding him out as an authoritative voice on economics and business.

Secondly, he's made various sweeping predictions on football's economy that have been proved completely wrong (and tie in to his failures as a manager). Basically since Abramovich piled in with his cash he's been declaring that that approach was unsustainable and since the 2008 financial crisis he's been declaring that football cannot exist independently from the recession and the bubble would burst sometime soon. Well guess what - transfer fees, wage bills and sponsorship fees are getting more and more ridiculous year on year (including ours in the case of the latter two), there are now far more teams willing to throw around silly money (either due to playboy owners or receiving stupid fees for their players like Napoli) and the trend continues to increase. His prediction that football would collapse and that he would emerge from the rubble grasping our balance sheet and lead us to glory is based around his economic theories that have been painfully inaccurate.

Thirdly, having a manager who wants to get involved in the financial side of things is NOT advantageous. People say he can read a balance sheet like it's a good thing. I can read a fucking balance sheet and I don't think I should be in charge of Arsenal's financial policy (as much as I'd like to see us spend some fucking money). Brian Clough, Alex Ferguson, Bill Shankly, etc etc - none of them were held back because they couldn't read a balance sheet. Football clubs can be run recklessly but the system of checks and balances is that the manager does the best within the resources that are ultimately sanctioned by the CEO/FD/board. Having all the power over club policy, board decisions and football decisions in the hands of one person is a recipe for disaster, whether that person is a sugardaddy or a manager.

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Excellent Post mate! puts it all quite nicely in a nutshell..


ps: those mates of yours who have economic degrees from redbrick universities - who don't know their Arsene's from their elbows....does that mean we might actually have an elbow managing our team??? :D :wink:

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Just surfing across Youtube and found this :lol: :lol: .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxOo8sHt5w

It's a few years old but sadly quite true :cry: .

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Ryanswannell wrote:Just surfing across Youtube and found this :lol: :lol: .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDxOo8sHt5w

It's a few years old but sadly quite true :cry: .
:D :barscarf:

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