Champions League Qualifying Round 2013

[northbank123]

Unfortunately JD unlike the American school system football isn't about "Grade Point Averages" - it's about winning things (especially knockout competitions). Even our club doesn't post our average league finish or consecutive top 4 finishes on the hoardings in between tiers - they show the trophies we've won.

Over the period of Wenger's reign we've probably picked up about as many co-efficient points as AC Milan due to their non-participation for a few seasons - who gives a fuck about coefficient points though beyond seeding ramifications??? They've actually won the thing twice and come runners-up once in that time, and suggesting that this is even fractionally offset by the fact we qualified for 3 seasons that they didn't just for the sake of being pedantic is frankly sad.

[highburyJD]

nobody disputes that AC Milan have out performed us in the CL, by any metric.
But we're nonetheles seeded for a reason - we're one of the eight most consistent sides.

[Red Gunner]

nobody disputes that AC Milan have out performed us in the CL, by any metric.
But we're nonetheles seeded for a reason - we're one of the eight most consistent sides.

We are sixth in UEFA club coefficients:

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/ ... index.html

I know it's WengerSpeak but we are pretty consistent and I'm actually proud of that

[Herd]

Missus is in th UK with the bubba so might be on the cards

Trying to get a flight to Istanbul as we speak,Ticket ,Hotel sorted , cant find one for less than 700 notes from, Singapore so far ! ! ! ! !

Theres abt 20 Old school Herd going so far,1 of thems a Turkish Cypriot (remember the flag ) . the area near their ground is very nice

[LeftfootlegendGooner]

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UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

[swimmer1]

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UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

Does anyone know what chances Fener have with there appeal ?

[franksav63]

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UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

Does anyone know what chances Fener have with there appeal ?

Perhaps Wenger is saving our money to influence a few people at CAS in the event that we go tumbling out of the fucking competition!!

[northbank123]

nobody disputes that AC Milan have out performed us in the CL, by any metric.
But we're nonetheles seeded for a reason - we're one of the eight most consistent sides.

Not by the metric of consistent qualification/participation - which is what you're relying on to champion our record as it's about all we have to go on.

As far as I'm concerned it's a cup competition and our record is therefore worse than any club who has won it in the last 16 years, and at best equal to any other runners-up (given that we've only made the semi-final stage on one other occasion).

[Dan_85]

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UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

Does anyone know what chances Fener have with there appeal ?

Perhaps Wenger is saving our money to influence a few people at CAS in the event that we go tumbling out of the fucking competition!!

I believe even if they knock us out and then fail their appeal, Bursaspor take their place in the groups not us. Could be wrong but that's what i've read.

So by the same logic, Schalke should now play Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk instead of getting a by to the groups. But this is UEFA so fuck knows, they'll probably just make it up as they go along...

[northbank123]

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UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

Does anyone know what chances Fener have with there appeal ?

Perhaps Wenger is saving our money to influence a few people at CAS in the event that we go tumbling out of the fucking competition!!

I believe even if they knock us out and then fail their appeal, Bursaspor take their place in the groups not us. Could be wrong but that's what i've read.

So by the same logic, Schalke should now play Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk instead of getting a by to the groups. But this is UEFA so fuck knows, they'll probably just make it up as they go along...

If UEFA instituted Dnipro in place of Metalist you can bet PAOK would kick up a fuss (having been knocked out by Metalist in the 3rd qualifying round). Just like if we lost to Fenerbahce and then they were kicked out we would damn sure complain about Bursaspor first of all not meeting the domestic qualifying requirements and then going straight into the group stages without playing the two qualifying rounds - and a legal appeal would undoubtedly be lodged.

Typical UEFA mess.

[swimmer1]

SSN
UEFA have just expelled Ukrainian club Metalist Kharkiv from the Champions League for links to match fixing.

Does anyone know what chances Fener have with there appeal ?

Perhaps Wenger is saving our money to influence a few people at CAS in the event that we go tumbling out of the fucking competition!!

I believe even if they knock us out and then fail their appeal, Bursaspor take their place in the groups not us. Could be wrong but that's what i've read.

So by the same logic, Schalke should now play Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk instead of getting a by to the groups. But this is UEFA so fuck knows, they'll probably just make it up as they go along...

If UEFA instituted Dnipro in place of Metalist you can bet PAOK would kick up a fuss (having been knocked out by Metalist in the 3rd qualifying round). Just like if we lost to Fenerbahce and then they were kicked out we would damn sure complain about Bursaspor first of all not meeting the domestic qualifying requirements and then going straight into the group stages without playing the two qualifying rounds - and a legal appeal would undoubtedly be lodged.

Typical UEFA mess.

Easy way out the two teams Fenerbahce (if banned) ko'ed Arsenal and I think it was a Norwegien the round before play off in a one off game simples .

[northbank123]

Easy way out the two teams Fenerbahce (if banned) ko'ed Arsenal and I think it was a Norwegien the round before play off in a one off game simples .

Again - the argument would be that the Norwegian team were therefore given a bye against Fenerbahce, but Arsenal weren't. And if you're going to expunge their results back to 3rd qualifying round, it could be argued that a) the play-off should take place even if Arsenal beat Fenerbahce and UEFA win in court, or b) that the results should be expunged back one round further to the domestic qualification and Bursaspor should have the right to at least take their place in the qualifying round.

There's problems with when an extra match would be scheduled - apart from all the regulations and admin, there's an international break straight after the court hearing and then one league game before Matchday 1.

In reality if this did happen UEFA would just put Arsenal through - aside from being the easiest solution it's in their interests to have the big clubs in there (particularly if the draw was conducted with Fenerbahce in it and we would therefore assume 2nd/3rd seed place).

[Red Gunner]

BBC reports:

Arsenal's Champions League play-off opponents Fenerbahce were banned from competing in Europe in June for their involvement in domestic match-fixing but have appealed to Cas.

Cas says a final decision in that case will be made by 28 August, after the second leg of the play-off, but Uefa says no decision has yet been made regarding what would happen if Fenerbahce won the tie and lost their appeal.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23695964

They should let us through because we are a poster child for FFP

[Tomáš]

Hi,
Schalke will play against PAOK Saloniki which have lost in the third round against Metalist Charkiw.
http://www.uefa.com/uefa/disciplinary/n ... 81184.html
But Charkiw can and will still call the CAS (Court of Arbitration for Sport). What a mess! Uefa have decided that before the competition starts, means even before the first round

Cheers,
Thomas

[northbank123]

Makes sense. By analogy that means they'll stick us through if we lose and Fenerbahce lose in court (wonder if our celebrations outside the court room would be reminiscent of the St James' Park champagne event in May?)