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highburyJD wrote:no guarantee Soldado will be better than Gervinho
let alone Giroud
Oh he just scored 82 goals in 141 games for Valencia and the last time he scored less than 20 goals in all competitions was the 08/09 season.
He's not world class and a player can always fail in a new team but Soldado is just better than both Gervinho and Giroud.
Herd wrote:Spurs are shit they have alway been shit and they always will be shit If u watch them then u too are a shit .
Its like cock watching in the toilets some people cant help doing it even though they know its wrong !
Amen. Best thing you've ever written on here, Herd. It's almost like literature!
highburyJD wrote:Sheva's record was better than that, I was positive he'd smash it.
There are no guarantees.
Of course you never know what's going to happen but usually you get a good player when you buy a good player. How many players have there really been who scored regularly for 3-4 years and failed to deliver after they made a transfer?
highburyJD wrote:loads: virtually every striker Manure signed in the 80's and Chelski signed in the 90s
Bloody hell.....why not go back even further?
So because the odd one doesn't work out here and there, and because Peter Davenport and Garry Birtles didn't work out for Man Utd we should tread carefully?
I actually believe Wenger is paranoid about making a big money signing and getting his fingers burnt though
highburyJD wrote:loads: virtually every striker Manure signed in the 80's and Chelski signed in the 90s
Bloody hell.....why not go back even further?
So because the odd one doesn't work out here and there, and because Peter Davenport and Garry Birtles didn't work out for Man Utd we should tread carefully?
I'm talking about why Soldado's big fee is no guarantee he's a success
I think we've desperately needed a striker for ages, we should tread always 'tread carefully', but we need another forward just as much as ever
that soldado is so good I just looked through the squad list of the winning Spanish teams at euro 08/12 & world cup 2010 and didn't see his name anywhere
slag wrote:that soldado is so good I just looked through the squad list of the winning Spanish teams at euro 08/12 & world cup 2010 and didn't see his name anywhere
He got benched by Torres in his first competition shot and he only got called up because Llorente ran his contract down and was frozen out by Bielsa at Bilbao.
But he's a better signing then Negredo, imo. This one is just buying spanish brand. Balo, Tevez and Dzeko are much better then him
slag wrote:that soldado is so good I just looked through the squad list of the winning Spanish teams at euro 08/12 & world cup 2010 and didn't see his name anywhere
slag wrote:that soldado is so good I just looked through the squad list of the winning Spanish teams at euro 08/12 & world cup 2010 and didn't see his name anywhere
He got benched by Torres in his first competition shot and he only got called up because Llorente ran his contract down and was frozen out by Bielsa at Bilbao.
But he's a better signing then Negredo, imo. This one is just buying spanish brand. Balo, Tevez and Dzeko are much better then him
agreed negredo is average. Soldado is a little better but face it, along with torres these guys are Spanish misfits. Everybody else has a great touch and when the ball reaches people torres its bounces a 4 yards off of him.
Soldado and Negredo I agree are relatively uninspiring strikers, particularly for the money they got.
BUT, strikers are in short supply in world football right now and both players have decent conversion rates in front of goal. Negredo was purchased because he will fit Pellegrini's style of play - sometimes it's not about how good the individual is, but how much he can add to the team as a whole. If a player makes smart movements off the ball, that's going to open up space for Navas, Silva, etc.
Regarding Sp*rs, yes they might have spent too much on Soldado but he's not a bad player. More importantly it gives them some options and some depth. Wtf do we do if Giroud pulls up with a hamstring problem and is out for 3 weeks? Podolski is not a natural CF and Walcott is still hit-or-miss up there... not to mention we barely have any cover on the attacking flanks even if we do move one of those two central. You have Oxlade before you end up seeing Ramsey, Rosicky and/or Cazorla on the attacking wing, and we all know those three are not optimal in those positions.
Don't even get me started on Higuain either. In this market, 30m for him would have been great business; he's still a young kid with bags of talent, potential, and work rate. He even WANTED to come to Arsenal. But we couldn't cough up more a few million more than King Wenger & Co. deemed him worth.
I know some of you don't rate Gustavo either, but he can play DM or CB (both positions we need depth in) and you have to remember the Confed Cup Brazil team was basically built around him - and you can see how well that worked out for the Selecao.
Barriecuda wrote:Soldado and Negredo I agree are relatively uninspiring strikers, particularly for the money they got.
BUT, strikers are in short supply in world football right now and both players have decent conversion rates in front of goal. Negredo was purchased because he will fit Pellegrini's style of play - sometimes it's not about how good the individual is, but how much he can add to the team as a whole. If a player makes smart movements off the ball, that's going to open up space for Navas, Silva, etc.
Regarding Sp*rs, yes they might have spent too much on Soldado but he's not a bad player. More importantly it gives them some options and some depth. Wtf do we do if Giroud pulls up with a hamstring problem and is out for 3 weeks? Podolski is not a natural CF and Walcott is still hit-or-miss up there... not to mention we barely have any cover on the attacking flanks even if we do move one of those two central. You have Oxlade before you end up seeing Ramsey, Rosicky and/or Cazorla on the attacking wing, and we all know those three are not optimal in those positions.
Don't even get me started on Higuain either. In this market, 30m for him would have been great business; he's still a young kid with bags of talent, potential, and work rate. He even WANTED to come to Arsenal. But we couldn't cough up more a few million more than King Wenger & Co. deemed him worth.
I know some of you don't rate Gustavo either, but he can play DM or CB (both positions we need depth in) and you have to remember the Confed Cup Brazil team was basically built around him - and you can see how well that worked out for the Selecao.
Agree with nearly all of that mate - although I'd emphasise that we're pretty fucked for options up front even if Giroud doesn't tear a hammy! I'm not sure strikers are really in short supply - but a player like Soldado (good record but not a hot prospect and coming from a club not really going to win anything) is about as good as Spurs are going to do, and as you say Negredo perhaps has been bought to fit a system (and Citeh didn't ever look like challenging at the top table for the likes of Neymar/Falcao/Cavani).
Best thing you've ever written on here, Herd. It's almost like literature! 
