THE WENGER THREAD

[clockender1]

Well after 12 games we are 9 points better than last season and United are 9 points worse than they were. It's pleasantly surprising. I'm confident of a top 2 result.

i would think City and the chavs are down 6-9 too.
if we win the title this year, it will be down to other teams failings. for me, for Wenger to get out of Jail free he has to win 2 titles in the next three years plus the Champions League.

Otherwise our failure to compete in the League, Champions League and FA Cup for 8 years is also his legacy.

Your expectations are insanely high. We've never achieved that level of success in the modern era. Not even the invincibles.

And also, comments like "if we win the title this year, it will be down to other teams failings" just shows how unreasonable some fans are. Even if we succeed, they'll turn it into a negative. It's pathetic (on offence )

it will be down to other peoples failings - as was pointed out, manyoo are 9 points down on last year, the others 6-9 points - what part of other teams gaining less points being a failing, does not make sense to you ? ???

and my expectations match our ticket prices and managers wages - both the highest in football.

i don't think one CL title in 17 years is unrealistic do you ? and as for two league titles in 3 years - i give you 1989 and 1991....

the money thing is just revisionism - as we know, even with 100million last year we didn't spend it, nor this year either.

to bleat that he didn't have the money is also to overlook the wages spent on Denilson, Bendtner, Djourou, Senderos, Eboue, Vela, almunia, Arshavin for years and years, something like 200million quid in 9 years - over half the cost of the stadium.

so the money argument is utter BS imho. he had enough , he just spent it badly.

[northbank123]

Said it before ,with some people if we lose we are shit,if we win the other team were shit.

True. The negativity is so deeply ingrained that not even success can lift the gloom for them.

Clockenders post sums that up perfectly.

ahh yes, the success. the great Arsenal team of November 2013- who won the November 2013 Premier League

[g88ner]

Said it before ,with some people if we lose we are shit,if we win the other team were shit.

True. The negativity is so deeply ingrained that not even success can lift the gloom for them.

Clockenders post sums that up perfectly.

ahh yes, the success. the great Arsenal team of November 2013- who won the November 2013 Premier League

don't encourage him - It's all about context dear boy

I was obviously referring to clockenders post. Read it and my post makes perfect sense. Some people will never be happy even if we are successful.

[armchair]

Said it before ,with some people if we lose we are shit,if we win the other team were shit.

True. The negativity is so deeply ingrained that not even success can lift the gloom for them.

Clockenders post sums that up perfectly.

ahh yes, the success. the great Arsenal team of November 2013- who won the November 2013 Premier League

don't encourage him - It's all about context dear boy




I was obviously referring to clockenders post. Read it and my post makes perfect sense. Some people will never be happy even if we are successful.

Thats not how I see it.
I see it as people are fed up of the same shit season after season. The same bollox spouted by Wenger. The same shambolic transfer windows. The failure to compete. The record breaking defeats. The acceptance of failure. The dumbing down of expectations. The ticket prices etc etc
The fukin list goes on.........

Some have had it up to their fukin eyeballs mate. Some cant take it. And now we have a run of form and the last 500 or so games are forgotten and we should be happy? Wenger should get credit, like now, after fukin about with the club and its finances for years? No. He should be gone.
Wenger should not be our manager. Its that simple. And while his spectre looms large over the club everything is tainted. Yes we can enjoy a good win, a good run, a great goal but at the end of the day Wenger will still be our manager and round we go again. Its all tainted while he is in charge. And I hate him for making me feel like this.

[LDB]

it will be down to other peoples failings - as was pointed out, manyoo are 9 points down on last year, the others 6-9 points - what part of other teams gaining less points being a failing, does not make sense to you ? ???

So why are last seasons results the true reflection of affairs and this season an outrageous anomaly? Ever considered that we're also much, much better then we were last season?

and my expectations match our ticket prices and managers wages - both the highest in football.

An incredibly simplistic argument. We pay the highest ticket prices because we're the best supported club in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Supply and demand, people need to stop paying it - fleecing fans for tickets doesn't suddenly become ok if you win a couple of pots. I bet Fulham fans pay higher average ticket prices then Bayern Munich fans, doesn't mean they should be expecting a treble every season.

i don't think one CL title in 17 years is unrealistic do you ? and as for two league titles in 3 years - i give you 1989 and 1991....

Well we didn't win one in the 17 years before that? You talk as if we have some rich history of hoovering up European trophies. Imo European Cups are not something one can expect.

the money thing is just revisionism - as we know, even with 100million last year we didn't spend it, nor this year either.

to bleat that he didn't have the money is also to overlook the wages spent on Denilson, Bendtner, Djourou, Senderos, Eboue, Vela, almunia, Arshavin for years and years, something like 200million quid in 9 years - over half the cost of the stadium.

so the money argument is utter BS imho. he had enough , he just spent it badly.

I agree the distribution of our wage bill was mental, it has been my biggest criticism of Wenger. But to suggest there is not an unlevel playing field in terms of finances is blinkered, our wage bill is still smaller then both manc clubs and chelsea and that's before we consider the massive fees these clubs have been paying which before last summer we had got nowhere near.

[g88ner]

Thats not how I see it.
I see it as people are fed up of the same shit season after season. The same bollox spouted by Wenger. The same shambolic transfer windows. The failure to compete. The record breaking defeats. The acceptance of failure. The dumbing down of expectations. The ticket prices etc etc
The fukin list goes on.........

Some have had it up to their fukin eyeballs mate. Some cant take it. And now we have a run of form and the last 500 or so games are forgotten and we should be happy? Wenger should get credit, like now, after fukin about with the club and its finances for years? No. He should be gone.
Wenger should not be our manager. Its that simple. And while his spectre looms large over the club everything is tainted. Yes we can enjoy a good win, a good run, a great goal but at the end of the day Wenger will still be our manager and round we go again. Its all tainted while he is in charge. And I hate him for making me feel like this.

Again, read clockenders post. That's what I was referring to, so taking that away removes the context of my post.

Anyone not happy unless we win 2 titles and the champions league is being unreasonable. Surely????

I know we all want success and most of us have been royally pissed off with Wenger and the club, but I'd love us to win titles again and would be happy for Wenger to stay if we did.

[Swifty]

Ummm, this may be stating the obvious - but if we win because we got more points then it is sort of a given that the others will, overall, do worse and have less points. For us to succeed the others have to fail - those outcomes are linked so for the naysayers - you will be able to crow, even in success, about opponents failing and for the rest of us we can just enjoy the success. Nothing is over the line but Im enjoying the ride a lot more than i have for a few years. I think some of our fans should just not follow the game until April. Go and get some Vitamin D!

[Swifty]

Also, to be fair - at some point were we not destined to leave highbury? Wasn't there always going to be a period of dark before the dawn? I still think we are destined to be a club Super Power in the medium term - I don't think there are many other clubs that can say that is even a possibility. To be honest - Man U are only one bad season away from dropping down the rungs - it's a fickle world. Let's enjoy a bit of sun while its shining.

[clockender1]

I'd bet a quid that city united and the chavs all had more points at this stage in the last 3yrs - to say that those three teams are not inconsistent this year is just plain silly.

How many points have we taken off them so far this season - zero.

We've played the chavs once - lost, united once - lost.

To suggest we are much better this year is so far very unproven.

[northbank123]

Also, to be fair - at some point were we not destined to leave highbury? Wasn't there always going to be a period of dark before the dawn? I still think we are destined to be a club Super Power in the medium term - I don't think there are many other clubs that can say that is even a possibility. To be honest - Man U are only one bad season away from dropping down the rungs - it's a fickle world. Let's enjoy a bit of sun while its shining.

I don't really see how you can say we're destined to be a massive club and in the next sentence suggest United are one season away from "dropping down the rungs"

Surely the things that are supposedly guaranteeing us future success - revenue streams, attractiveness to players - United are stronger in?

[TeeCee]

Yes we're having a great season so far. Yes, we are much much better than last season......what's been behind that?

Bringing in a defensive midfielder like Flamini........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years this is what Arsenal needed and Wenger FINALLY succumbed, probably because the guy was free and desperate to play!!

Signing a genuine world class player?..........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years that we needed.

Better defensive unit?...............yes, undoubtedly a large contribution from Mr Bould. How long have we, as fans, been calling for someone to be employed in that area but the dictator had to be in control?

Getting rid of a shit load of dead wood so they don't infest the playing squad........YES!!!!!! Once again, every football fan in the country could see that Arsenal paid and played some awfully poor footballers but through all of the above, one man oversaw and controlled ALL of the reasons we struggled year after year. Just because he has finally decided to do the bloody obvious and swallow some of that stubborn 'I know everything you know nothing' attitude, doesn't mean that Wanger is the man to take the club past this year. He has done MORE than enough in the last 8 years to deserve the sack and one decent half of a season (winning nothing) does NOT mean he has made up for all the shit we have had to go through.

[clockender1]

Okay let's pose the opposite question, when should Wenger get fired ?

[franksav63]

Yes we're having a great season so far. Yes, we are much much better than last season......what's been behind that?

Bringing in a defensive midfielder like Flamini........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years this is what Arsenal needed and Wenger FINALLY succumbed, probably because the guy was free and desperate to play!!

Signing a genuine world class player?..........yes, something almost every fan and pundit has been saying for years that we needed.

Better defensive unit?...............yes, undoubtedly a large contribution from Mr Bould. How long have we, as fans, been calling for someone to be employed in that area but the dictator had to be in control?

Getting rid of a shit load of dead wood so they don't infest the playing squad........YES!!!!!! Once again, every football fan in the country could see that Arsenal paid and played some awfully poor footballers but through all of the above, one man oversaw and controlled ALL of the reasons we struggled year after year. Just because he has finally decided to do the bloody obvious and swallow some of that stubborn 'I know everything you know nothing' attitude, doesn't mean that Wanger is the man to take the club past this year. He has done MORE than enough in the last 8 years to deserve the sack and one decent half of a season (winning nothing) does NOT mean he has made up for all the shit we have had to go through.

Thank you TeeCee, I agree with every word on this post!!

[DB10GOONER]

Nice to see g88ner is getting up everybody's arse again. Fucking furburger.

[rodders999]

Okay let's pose the opposite question, when should Wenger get fired ?

3 years ago