FREE THE ARCHWAY ONE - PETITION

[Herd]

G88ner obviously has had little dealings with Islington Police ,that isn't his fault but once you are on their radar you are NEVER off it !
I know from personal experience whats they are like as does anyone whose lived in Islington.
They use Arsenal as an easy nick to help the crime/arrest/clear up record and our games are so over policed it's a joke.
Compare that to the rest of the week when they are harder to spot than a Snow Leopard.
Burglaries,Muggings,and other crimes that plague Islington , are routinely screened out while crack houses operate in no go estates under their noses with impunity.
Call them for assistance and they might be there in an hour or two , but swing a fist on a football day and they will be there in numbers in seconds.

[g88ner]

g88ner sure the guy's innocent until proven guilty - no???

Absolutely.

[DB10GOONER]

Lads can we be a bit careful here please? Let's have no allegations about this guy, the WPC or the Islington police. I know it is just personal opinion and we have freedom of speech etc etc. It may all be true, it may all be shite, but the point is if someone complains to the owner or service provider about being libelled, this forum may well be closed down again. And that's wether the allegation of libel is proven or not. The point is that the owner has made it clear (after the last debacle that closed us) that he is willing to pull the plug on the forum rather than go through all that shite again.

So for any busy body whining bitch reading this, the opinions expressed above are those of individuals and do not reflect the opinion of the Online Gooner forum or its owner etc etc fuck me sideways etc.

[augie]

I signed.

Unless he gets arrested at or outside an Arsenal game for fighting, it seems wrong to stop him enjoying his football.

i'm sure a lot of people have had some argy bargy in the pub and on holiday, it doesn't make you a Hoolie unless you go looking for it every week.

just mho.

And that for me is the crux of it - I dont know anything about the guy's character or anything (so he could be a total scumbag or a decent down to earth guy) but surely you should only be banned from football for football related issues ?

[mikeyb772001]

Signed

Always prepared to help out a fellow gooner and a good guy too that don’t deserve a ban.


That horse faced bitch has done wrong to so many I know.

How can anyone not sign this or sit on the fence with it. Shocking

[Belfast Boy]

g88ner sure the guy's innocent until proven guilty - no???

Absolutely.

Then I don't understand your reluctance, I very rarely disagree with you g88ner but I am genuinely interested as to why you wouldn't support, nevermind a Gooner, any football fan who has their lifelong passion summarily taken away by someone who exceeded their authority by circumventing a judge's ruling!

Some guy pleads guilty to a public order offence and receives a community order but the judge who was in possession of the hard facts refuses to uphold a request to issue a banning order as he found it had nothin to do with football hooliganism only for the bloke to get one anyway because of someone elses agenda!

As for the Islington Police remember what happened to Kev Whitcher???

[g88ner]

g88ner sure the guy's innocent until proven guilty - no???

Absolutely.

Then I don't understand your reluctance, I very rarely disagree with you g88ner but I am genuinely interested as to why you wouldn't support, nevermind a Gooner, any football fan who has their lifelong passion summarily taken away by someone who exceeded their authority by circumventing a judge's ruling!

Some guy pleads guilty to a public order offence and receives a community order but the judge who was in possession of the hard facts refuses to uphold a request to issue a banning order as he found it had nothin to do with football hooliganism only for the bloke to get one anyway because of someone elses agenda!

As for the Islington Police remember what happened to Kev Whitcher???

My reluctance to throwing my signature onto what should be considered an important document, is that I don't know enough about this chap to know whether I should be petitioning on his behalf.

Herd said this chap has been harassed by the police for 15 years! at the very least, that leads me to believe there must surely be more to this than a single incident after a game 14 years after he was on the police radar - it just doesn't add up.

You say "innocent until proven guilty" and I agree, but that applies equally to the police and Arsenal, so why should I petition against them without knowing the full story? - i can't sign it, because I don't feel i'm in a position to pick sides! - it really is as simple as that. I'm not going to side with David instead of Goliath just because it makes for a better story.

[QuartzGooner]

I signed it.

From what is described, he does not deserve to be banned from games.
Whether what is described is the full story, I can not know.

But if the petition at least gives the club a chance to review this ban, taking evidence from both sides, then it seems reasonable.

I think there has to be a reason the police have an eye on him.
Whether that is because he has done something wrong, or because he knows too much about what the local police do wrong, I can not know.

[Glitch33]

Signed

Always prepared to help out a fellow gooner and a good guy too that don’t deserve a ban.


That horse faced bitch has done wrong to so many I know.

How can anyone not sign this or sit on the fence with it. Shocking

I know someone who came close to getting a banning order - draconian, unfair and unwarranted. "Police Intelligence" in that case was clearly an oxymoron.

The courts and the BiB love a football flavour to arrestable offences and come down disproportionately hard on football fans.

However, I won't sign because I don't know the circumstances of the offence. It wouldn't surprise me at all that the WPC has brought an unfair football flavour to an otherwise non-football related incident.

[Belfast Boy]

But the actual circumstances of the offence have fuck all to do with it, I freely admit that I've no idea what the guy in question is like and it's quite possible he's no angel, but he couldn't be that bad or he wouldn't have so many people petitioning on his behalf!

However the fact remains the judge in this case not only didn't apply a football order but refused a police request to have one applied so he must've been certain that the details of offence didn't meet the criteria and therefore didn't warrant one yet one was applied summarily at the behest of a policewoman who misrepresented the facts to the club and in doing so landed an otherwise unrelated crime on the doorstep of Arsenal FC, I mean what happened to due process????

[Glitch33]

But the actual circumstances of the offence have fuck all to do with it, I freely admit that I've no idea what the guy in question is like and it's quite possible he's no angel, but he couldn't be that bad or he wouldn't have so many people petitioning on his behalf!

However the fact remains the judge in this case not only didn't apply a football order but refused a police request to have one applied so he must've been certain that the details of offence didn't meet the criteria and therefore didn't warrant one yet one was applied summarily at the behest of a policewoman who misrepresented the facts to the club and in doing so landed an otherwise unrelated crime on the doorstep of Arsenal FC, I mean what happened to due process????

I agree with your point that the Judge has not imposed a banning order and therefore does not see this as a football related offence. Therefore the WPC has gone beyond what some consider to be reasonable.

I disagree that the circumstances of the offence have fuck all to do with it. The "intelligence" officer no doubt thinks she is doing her job in reporting these offences and presumably making a recommendation to the club.

The guy has pleaded guilty to using threatening and abusive behaviour - probably drunk and disorderly in old money.
I presume the "intelligence" officer got involved because it was match day and they were wearing their colours.

He didn't get a fixed penalty (which avoids a criminal record) but appeared in court on a more serious charge.

I suspect a club like Arsenal with its squeaky clean image has a zero tolerance policy and has exercised its right to withdraw membership and ban individuals from the ground. The "Archway One" was drunk and disorderly on a match day and the club, on twisted advice from their "intelligence" officer have decided they don't want that type in the ground. He may already have come to the attention of the WPC, just being a bit noisy in the ground is enough.

Welcome to the bonkers world of the UK criminal justice system, how the police will persecute (and aggressively pursue) football fans and how the club wants to sanitise its loyal following.

[Belfast Boy]

I agree with your point that the Judge has not imposed a banning order and therefore does not see this as a football related offence. Therefore the WPC has gone beyond what some consider to be reasonable.

I disagree that the circumstances of the offence have fuck all to do with it. The "intelligence" officer no doubt thinks she is doing her job in reporting these offences and presumably making a recommendation to the club.

The guy has pleaded guilty to using threatening and abusive behaviour - probably drunk and disorderly in old money.
I presume the "intelligence" officer got involved because it was match day and they were wearing their colours.

He didn't get a fixed penalty (which avoids a criminal record) but appeared in court on a more serious charge.

I suspect a club like Arsenal with its squeaky clean image has a zero tolerance policy and has exercised its right to withdraw membership and ban individuals from the ground. The "Archway One" was drunk and disorderly on a match day and the club, on twisted advice from their "intelligence" officer have decided they don't want that type in the ground. He may already have come to the attention of the WPC, just being a bit noisy in the ground is enough.

Welcome to the bonkers world of the UK criminal justice system, how the police will persecute (and aggressively pursue) football fans and how the club wants to sanitise its loyal following.

So you agree the bloke did not deserve a banning order!!!

I know of an order handed down that was harsh, with someone who was caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time, but at least it was because of a ruck between opposing fans near a ground pre match and fuck me ol boots, it was actually handed down by a judge as well, as is the lawful process, this blokes case had none of that, no actual physical assault, miles from ground, in one of his locals, hours after final whistle and a unilateral banning order, where it seems that even the club has been misled!

The courts are there for a reason, cross examine the evidence, fair trial etc. and if this person who has allegedly perverted the normal process gets away with it then anybody including one of us could be next!

[physician]

Please read this link, sign the petition & forward it to your friends

http://www.change.org/petitions/arsenal ... e_petition

Thank You

[physician]

SIGN THIS PETITION - JUSTICE FOR THE ARCHWAY ONE
http://www.change.org/petitions/arsenal ... e_petition

Thanks

[OneBardGooner]

Can't one of the Mods make this a sticky for a week or so, so that everyone gets the choice/chance to sign or not!?

I've signed it...Good Luck!