Man Utd (H) Wednesday 12th February

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Maybe we'd have a better chance of winning this game if the manager had stayed an extra day up in the north west at the weekend so he could see our next opponents in the flesh? I'm sure most conventional managers would have done this although Wenger has never bothered. What are we paying him for again?

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Has Wenger ever been to another ground to watch a team before we play them?
You often see other managers at various grounds including our own having a peak at their forthcoming opposition.
I don't ever remember seeing or hearing about Wenger being at another game.

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Midz wrote:Has Wenger ever been to another ground to watch a team before we play them?
You often see other managers at various grounds including our own having a peak at their forthcoming opposition.
I don't ever remember seeing or hearing about Wenger being at another game.
Like Cesc said Wenger never speaks about the opposition, he just expects our tippy tappy ball to beat whoever we face whether it be Burnley or Barca. He is tactically inept and knows no other way.

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It is absolute myopic arrogance to not plan for each oppo team based on their strengths as well as our own. We are not THAT good. :|

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DB10GOONER wrote:It is absolute myopic arrogance to not plan for each oppo team based on their strengths as well as our own. We are not THAT good. :|
Saturdays game epitomised that, Rodgers obviously aware that we haven't been turning up in the 1st half of games away from home, told his players to be quick out of the blocks and the game would be theirs.
Wenger on the other hand allowed his players to do exactly what Rodgers was anticipating.

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goonersid wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:It is absolute myopic arrogance to not plan for each oppo team based on their strengths as well as our own. We are not THAT good. :|
Saturdays game epitomised that, Rodgers obviously aware that we haven't been turning up in the 1st half of games away from home, told his players to be quick out of the blocks and the game would be theirs.
Wenger on the other hand allowed his players to do exactly what Rodgers was anticipating.
100% correct, sid. Also, Skrtel's header - just how far out was he? Oh, right - just far enough to be left alone by our static zonal marking shite. They were trying that deeper ball at every corner - it smacked of a manager that had looked at our zonal shite and told his players to adapt to beat it.

I was really annoyed by our arrogant tippy tappy approach on Saturday, nearly as annoyed as when we tried it against Barca and got our asses handed to us there as well. Only a (modern) Wenger team would be so naive and arrogant as to look at Barca and think "Hey it's only the best team in the world with the best passers of a ball in the world - let's just go there and do what we do, yay!" :roll: :|

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DB10GOONER wrote:
goonersid wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:It is absolute myopic arrogance to not plan for each oppo team based on their strengths as well as our own. We are not THAT good. :|
Saturdays game epitomised that, Rodgers obviously aware that we haven't been turning up in the 1st half of games away from home, told his players to be quick out of the blocks and the game would be theirs.
Wenger on the other hand allowed his players to do exactly what Rodgers was anticipating.
100% correct, sid. Also, Skrtel's header - just how far out was he? Oh, right - just far enough to be left alone by our static zonal marking shite. They were trying that deeper ball at every corner - it smacked of a manager that had looked at our zonal shite and told his players to adapt to beat it.

I was really annoyed by our arrogant tippy tappy approach on Saturday, nearly as annoyed as when we tried it against Barca and got our asses handed to us there as well. Only a (modern) Wenger team would be so naive and arrogant as to look at Barca and think "Hey it's only the best team in the world with the best passers of a ball in the world - let's just go there and do what we do, yay!" :roll: :|
Agree with you here, but in all honesty I don't believe we can change our tactics much because our players are all of the same mould, what we need is different types of players that can play a different way.

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rosicky needs to start 100%. cazorla should start behind giroud. i dont like arteta and with no flamini i would personally start wilshire/ox or wilshire/rosicky as the 2 deeper central midfielders. gibbs should start.

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DB10GOONER wrote:It is absolute myopic arrogance to not plan for each oppo team based on their strengths as well as our own. We are not THAT good. :|
And the worst thing is it doesn't even have to be anything complex. No-one's asking him to invent a new formation inspired by the wrinkle pattern on a reverse merman's ballbag and spend 72 hours briefing the team on how it works through the medium of interpretative dance. Just small details that can make a huge difference when the margins are so tight.

The benefit goes beyond just any tactical or selection issues. Surely a bit of extra preparation (for a big game especially) also just helps to focus the mind and negate the chances of starting with such a sloppy attitude. You start building up to the game a couple of days before and you peak at the right time, mentally as well as physically.
I dont think Mourinho did anything that radical against City, tactically speaking - certainly nothing to warrant the tsunami of jizz that followed in the press/media anyway. And nothing that really would have required 2 days of studying. But one thing it clearly did do was ensure every one of the chav *word censored* went into that game from the off fully aware of the task at hand and approaching it akin to a cup final. Personally I think it was as much about mind games with his own players than any chess... mastermindery(?)! :? :oops:

We still just rock up like it's wormwood scrubs and we're too hungover to remember who we're playing and on what pitch. Year after year of Sideshow Bob stepping on the rake. :roll:

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IU4GN

Quite what goes through your mind is shocking!
Sex change mermaids?

Totally agree re Mourinho, Chelsea did nothing special tactically at Man City, I could not understand all the articles about tactics after that game.

They set themselves out in a tried and tested formation and were first to the ball.

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QuartzGooner wrote:IU4GN

Quite what goes through your mind is shocking!
Sex change mermaids?
In my defence it wasn't a sex change mermaid. :roll: It was a merman - they're real too, right? :? The reverse was in reference to it being upper body fish, lower body human. If it was a regular merman there'd be no testicles, Quartz. Be sensible, everybody knows that! :roll:

:mrgreen:

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I reckon we will win. Why? UTD have got to that magical 40 point safety mark & as such have nothing to play for.

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Fulham defender says he's never seen so many crosses come in from Man Utd and they knew that and were ready for it.
Wonder if The Great One has noticed?

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Sam59 wrote:Fulham defender says he's never seen so many crosses come in from Man Utd and they knew that and were ready for it.
Wonder if The Great One has noticed?
I guarantee you right now, no matter what the result, we will concede at least one (maybe two) from a corner or a whipped in cross/free kick. Arsene will not look at the fact they bombed in 80+ crosses in 90 minutes against Fulham and try to set up to defend against that - no, he will persist with the shite static zonal crap and cross his fingers and hope we can outscore them with tippy tappy passy pass pass. :|

Also, if perma-crock, glass-ankles Gibbs has any reaction to actually having to step onto a football pitch last Saturday (bless :roll: ) and Arsene sticks Nacho back in there... we will get brutally Cell Block D type thunder-raped right up the old shitter down our left. Even someone as limited as Moyes will spot it and tell his players to go at Nacho every chance. :|

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Nacho is a good defender, but he has shown in the last few games he is found wanting badly against pace - something Gibbs generally isnt. Nacho is better in the final third but our first choice in these games should be Gibbo (when fit!).

This is a Pivotol game, Win and we can get some belief back and hopefully go on another run - if we lose, we could easily see another implosion.

I have a worry about Bayern away, it seems to be a catylst for everything so far - its always mentioned in interviews about the belief they got from that game....for all our positive attributes i do think we are a bit weak mentally - a pumping there could really push the wheels off.

We didnt turn up Saturday, its as simple as that - the zonal marking has worked fine over the season and is a big part of our defensive improvement. Kos and Per are a good partnership, they were awful Saturday - but i thought the two fullbacks let them down massively and Suarez, who despite not scoring, still made them tick and he can make any defence look silly.

A win Weds means 3 points out of those 6 - we could have drawn both with more pride intact but of course a win is better - whether or not anyone believes we can win it or not is subjective - we are in a great position in the League and we do have a chance to win it this year - Wednesday is pivotol, it really is.

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