Let's All Laugh At Man Utd! (Merged thread)

[Nos89]

Henry Winter has a piece saying Giggs is the right man for the job.

reading through it, it would seem that Giggs had the power & knowledge to totally undermine Moyes if he had wanted.

my read is that Giggs could be a catastrophe in the making for them. but he has three games to set the team up with no pressure.

were i the United Board i'd go for Ancelotti - only 54 but the strongest track record.

lets see how impatient and really cash strapped the glazers are....

Wasn't hard to predict consider the way Giggs spoke at the pre match press conference before 2nd leg against munich compared to the ways moyes spoke. Moyes was full of respect for the current champions league holders, giggs undermined moyes by simply saying we are Manchester united we don't fear no one. It reminded me of the press conference when chavski announced di matteo as manager and john terry took control of the press conference. I wouldn't be surprised if mourinho doesn't get rid of terry this summer, then terry will be the interim chelski manager this time next year. As Quartz said Moyes is the Bruce Rioch go between. United were waiting for the manager they really wanted, and van Gaal does seem to be the man. Although, I reckon Giggs will be the British Pep Guardiola.

Also, I don't think anyone has pointed out that of the 6 points utd won against the top 6, 4 of them were against us. Not only are we worse than utd, it was Moyes' utd. That's fucking embarrassing.

[Herd]

Apparantly Giggs has said he doesnt want the Job on a permanent basis as he wants to spend more time at home with his brothers family !

On a more serious Sir Alex himself was apparantly instremental in the sacking Moyes ,yes the same sir Alex that chose him and told the fans to get behind Moyes and support him !

If he had any dignity at all he would resign his post forthwith !

[MK Gould]

On a more serious Sir Alex himself was apparantly instremental in the sacking Moyes ,yes the same sir Alex that chose him and told the fans to get behind Moyes and support him !

If he had any dignity at all he would resign his post forthwith !

The same Sir Alex who would also have been out on his ear in the early days of his Old Trafford career if the club had based their decision on results in the short term as they have done this time around! If Moyes was the right man for the job (and I don't think he ever was) then he certainly needed more than 9 months...

Also, I don't think anyone has pointed out that of the 6 points utd won against the top 6, 4 of them were against us. Not only are we worse than utd, it was Moyes' utd. That's fucking embarrassing.

I actually think it's ever so slightly more embarrassing in that United's record against the top 4 was P8 W1 D2 L5...and yet their only win and one of only two draws was against us! Still think that our 0-1 defeat at Old Trafford is right up there with losing 0-6 at Chelsea in the competition for worst performance of the season!

[Theoperator]

I really can see them slipping out of contention for some time now- they need such a massive change of players and are hamstrung with the ridiculous £300,000 a week which is bound to inflate incomers expectation of wages.

They need at least half a team changing within 2 seasons, sure they will buy some quality but bound to get a few duffers in as well. With the massive ownership debt that there is I can see them fast becoming a Leeds

[MK Gould]

With the massive ownership debt that there is I can see them fast becoming a Leeds

Agreed. Rooney's wages grab the headlines, but at least he plays for them...!

Think I heard someone say yesterday that 9 years after they bought the club, the Glazer debt was still costing them over £400k per week...i.e. more than Wayno, but with no goals!

Absolutely ridiculous that the Glazers are allowed to get away with it and Ferguson success as a Manager just papered over the cracks that have been there since they took over!

[LDB]

The fact that he spoke in his statement of pride about reaching the CL quarter finals sort of shows why he's not cut out for the job. At no point did he try and show confidence in his ability or the players. His press conferences were as if he was still Everton manager. He was their Hodgson and they were right to sack him although I have no idea who the early leek was supposed to benefit..

[clockender1]

Think I heard someone say yesterday that 9 years after they bought the club, the Glazer debt was still costing them over £400k per week...i.e. more than Wayno, but with no goals!

the interest on the Glazer debt is 35million a year. 670,000 a week.

this is what i've mentioned a few times - the United business model is based on last 16 in all competitions - that is to break even - that does not include debt REPAYMENT.

in the successful years they were paying off between 5-15million a year - the outstanding debt is still around 450 of the original 550 if i remember right....

i don't think one year out of the CL is catastrophic in terms of their finances, but 2-3 is going to make some bankers very nervous about receiving their interest payments - so what could happen is United might be forced to hike their ticket prices much higher - the report i saw said their cheapest ticket is 30 quid and the most expensive 65 - even their VIP matchday package is just 99 quid.

which i checked and it was right - our "Club Arsenal" package however was 474 - nearly five times the price !

though doubling their ticket prices would only just cover their loan interest....

they are a house of cards i tell you - if they ever get down to crowds of 45/50K their costs alone will crush them.

no pressure on Giggs though LOL

[northbank123]

The fact that he spoke in his statement of pride about reaching the CL quarter finals sort of shows why he's not cut out for the job. At no point did he try and show confidence in his ability or the players. His press conferences were as if he was still Everton manager. He was their Hodgson and they were right to sack him although I have no idea who the early leek was supposed to benefit..

I just cannot argue with their decision to sack him. Poor form with the communication, but after the buzz of the Rooney effect had subsided there was literally no redeeming feature to his reign and nothing would have been served by giving him an extra year to reinforce what a poor fit he was. The side he inherited had weaknesses, a fit and firing van Judas would have papered over the cracks, whatever his management style the players have let themselves down. But none of that excuses the completely hopeless nature of his tenure and he has shown literally nothing to suggest he is capable of turning it round.

Also amusing to see Roy Keane demand he be given extra time - he would be the first fucker lining up to stab him in the back if he was in that squad. Much like how our former class players trot out the 'be careful what you wish for line' when we all know they would have pissed off pretty sharpish if we had settled for finishing 4th even if it was 20-odd points off the winners.

[clockender1]

Vieira, Henry and Cesc did piss off pretty sharpish...

Kolo and Clichy too.

I read than Van Gaal would not be available til July so that rules him out too.

Pep n Klopp going nowhere, so that leaves Ancelotti .

[northbank123]

The problem with van Gaal is Ed Woodward. If they had an experienced chief exec it would be feasible to line up van Gaal and establish a list of targets and deadwood before the World Cup for the chief exec to work on before van Gaal joined full-time.

Woodward is a bit of a laughing stock after last summer's debacle, especially after the way they blatantly leaked and propagated the Fabregas story and publicised his early return from their pre-season tour to conclude transfer business that never materialised. United are going to get taken for a ride both buying and selling players this summer as everyone knows how desperate they are.

As for Ancelotti is it confirmed he is leaving Real or something?

[chyren1]

Think I heard someone say yesterday that 9 years after they bought the club, the Glazer debt was still costing them over £400k per week...i.e. more than Wayno, but with no goals!

the interest on the Glazer debt is 35million a year. 670,000 a week.

this is what i've mentioned a few times - the United business model is based on last 16 in all competitions - that is to break even - that does not include debt REPAYMENT.

in the successful years they were paying off between 5-15million a year - the outstanding debt is still around 450 of the original 550 if i remember right....

i don't think one year out of the CL is catastrophic in terms of their finances, but 2-3 is going to make some bankers very nervous about receiving their interest payments - so what could happen is United might be forced to hike their ticket prices much higher - the report i saw said their cheapest ticket is 30 quid and the most expensive 65 - even their VIP matchday package is just 99 quid.

which i checked and it was right - our "Club Arsenal" package however was 474 - nearly five times the price !

though doubling their ticket prices would only just cover their loan interest....

they are a house of cards i tell you - if they ever get down to crowds of 45/50K their costs alone will crush them.

no pressure on Giggs though LOL

You gave me a boner..

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Talk dirty to me..

[augie]

The fact that he spoke in his statement of pride about reaching the CL quarter finals sort of shows why he's not cut out for the job. At no point did he try and show confidence in his ability or the players. His press conferences were as if he was still Everton manager. He was their Hodgson and they were right to sack him although I have no idea who the early leek was supposed to benefit..

I just cannot argue with their decision to sack him. Poor form with the communication, but after the buzz of the Rooney effect had subsided there was literally no redeeming feature to his reign and nothing would have been served by giving him an extra year to reinforce what a poor fit he was. The side he inherited had weaknesses, a fit and firing van Judas would have papered over the cracks, whatever his management style the players have let themselves down. But none of that excuses the completely hopeless nature of his tenure and he has shown literally nothing to suggest he is capable of turning it round.

Also amusing to see Roy Keane demand he be given extra time - he would be the first fucker lining up to stab him in the back if he was in that squad. Much like how our former class players trot out the 'be careful what you wish for line' when we all know they would have pissed off pretty sharpish if we had settled for finishing 4th even if it was 20-odd points off the winners.

He got sacked for two main reasons and their league position isnt one of them -

1. People have looked at everton under martinez and have understandably questioned whether moyes's performance as everton manager was actually as good as it seemed - personally I think that is very harsh especially when you consider how moyes did what he did consistantly over a number of years

2. manure dont trust moyes to spend the 100m wisely - their huge fear is that they would back him with a huge transfer budget and he would spend it without seeing any noticeable improvement. Manure would then be put in a position where they would have to fire him and bring in a new manager but the new manager would have no transfer budget to work with. I find this part totally unfair - the one aspect of his reign at everton that should be beyond reproach is his shrewdness in the transfer market. He rarely spent big money but when he did (fellaini and meralles for example) that investment was seen as an absolute bargain and you also have to look at his purchases of baines, coleman, piennar etc as a man whose transfer market performances stand up to anyone's

[VAVAVOOM 14]

I find this part totally unfair - the one aspect of his reign at everton that should be beyond reproach is his shrewdness in the transfer market. He rarely spent big money but when he did (fellaini and meralles for example) that investment was seen as an absolute bargain and you also have to look at his purchases of baines, coleman, piennar etc as a man whose transfer market performances stand up to anyone's

He spent £27 million on a walking toilet brush, any "shrewdness" he had is negated by Fellani.

[QuartzGooner]

Moyes was a shrewd man in the transfers for Everton, over a decade.
He paid over the odds for Fellaini at Man Utd near the end of a transfer window when Everton could hold him to ransom, that alone does not negate his Everton career.

I think he was sacked because above all, the players did not believe in his ability to win games, his tactics, coaching and man management and this showed on the pitch.

I am convinced that senior players spoke to Ferguson and Woodward about all this and told them that the situation was critical and unlikely to improve over time.

[northbank123]

He was very shrewd. But shrewd doesn't really cut the mustard at United, especially with the task in hand.

I said at the start the two big question marks next to Moyes' name were his ability to attract big players and his ability to win big games. For all his good work at Everton (and notwithstanding what Martinez has done it was good work) he was perennially hamstrung by signing a succession of poor strikers.