THE WENGER THREAD

[clockender1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

any comments Robin ?

your 8 million pound man, being told how to play the team by his team ?


thats fecking disgraceful. he's basically admitted he doesn't know what he's doing. senile old

[A11M11]

More to the point he's admitted that his players don't think he knows what he is doing.

[clockender1]

More to the point he's admitted that his players don't think he knows what he is doing.

its just confirming what we suspected - as did the video from the two idiots today, arsing around dancing in the canteen, one dropped for smoking and the other a perma crock....

the first thing the new manager should do is bin chesny, jack, arteta, flamini and probably walcott unless he produces in the next month or so.

[OneBardGooner]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/a ... 82#rlabs=2

VIrtual Teams = Virtual Trophies.

[Nos89]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

Well, this could be flipped over to read that wenger listened to his player, and let them show him that they could be disciplined. That actually shows great leadership. How many times have the players let us down by showing no discipline in defence? How often is wenger seem kicking the water bottle in frustration due to his players letting him down? Nearly every game in the last 9 seasons.
I'm certainly not an AKB but if you believe wenger watched the match oblivious to fact his players were doing their own thing, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 18 years.

[clockender1]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

I'm certainly not an AKB but if you believe wenger watched the match oblivious to fact his players were doing their own thing, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 18 years.

no ones saying that - we're saying they told him how they were going to play. i.e. they no longer trust him.

[armchair]

I'm certainly not an AKB but.......

[LaughingGooner]

Yep, let's all suddenly believe a story in the mirror shall we, you couldn't make this shit up !?!?!

Naturally, if it was a positive story about wenger it would be widely ridiculed......

More hilarious stuff boys...

[Ed Hunter The Gooner]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

Well, this could be flipped over to read that wenger listened to his player, and let them show him that they could be disciplined. That actually shows great leadership. How many times have the players let us down by showing no discipline in defence? How often is wenger seem kicking the water bottle in frustration due to his players letting him down? Nearly every game in the last 9 seasons.
I'm certainly not an AKB but if you believe wenger watched the match oblivious to fact his players were doing their own thing, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 18 years.

I'm sorry, but the fact that Wenger, the poor old man, footballing genius and almighty manager has been let down over and over again is disgusting thought. What kind of leadership is that? What kind of leader lets his people to let him down again and again? I can tell you that not even a half decent leader would accept that.

No disrespect meant, but this is bullshit.

[armchair]

I dont think it really matters tbh. If Wenger decided to shore it up against City or if they all had a meeting to discuss it and some players advocaded a more defensive and less cavalier approach.
It doesnt matter one way or t'other does it really? Its on Wenger either way.

Bottom line is....... for me it shows that its been Wenger at fault for the capitulations against the big teams (and not-so-big teams), by playing the same carefree football against Man U away and the gimmees at home. He has lost us games, points, possibly trophys over the years following his 'philosophy' and it further exposes him as the fraud and egotist he is.

It shows that its not Gazidis, not Kronke, refs, linos, pitches, injuries, special circumstances, handbrakes etc who are holding is back, keeping us from genuinely competing against 'the big boys'. No its Wenger and Wenger alone.

Conversely the fantastic result and the nature of our superb performance speaks more for why he should absolutely go rather than why he should stay.

[northbank123]

I do find the idea that the players (led by Coquelin) led some sort of revolt against Wenger and managed to turn in our most disciplined and professional performance in a decade pretty absurd. Especially when a criticism regularly levelled at the players is that they are mollycoddled. The players are fully behind Wenger, even the ones that get fed up and leave for better things like van Persie and Fabregas seem to hold great affinity towards him.

It was a perfect storm in some ways - the hammerings of last year forced him into a change, Toure is a huge miss for them and City are vulnerable to that sort of approach. Without Toure they don't really have players who can beat a man - Silva is tremendous but he's not really got that in the locker. That approach against Chelsea is not so effective because they have tremendous dribblers and different types of attackers. That's not to take away from the performance because it was absolutely outstanding, even with the right tactics they were executed superbly.

[SteveO 35]

We can all add another to Wenger's formidable virtual XI:


http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... ork-permit

Di Maria.

Poor old Angel - from Champions League winner down to only getting a place on our Virtual XI bench in the space of a year. I'm afraid with Ronaldo one side, Messi on the other and Zlatan down the middle, there's just no room for him. Yaya Toure running the midfield......the virtual champions are back

[augie]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

Well, this could be flipped over to read that wenger listened to his player, and let them show him that they could be disciplined. That actually shows great leadership. How many times have the players let us down by showing no discipline in defence? How often is wenger seem kicking the water bottle in frustration due to his players letting him down? Nearly every game in the last 9 seasons.
I'm certainly not an AKB but if you believe wenger watched the match oblivious to fact his players were doing their own thing, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 18 years.

Are you having a laff ?? That is the lamest defence of wenker ever If the players feel that they need to use their tactics instead of wenkers, then what does it say about their lack of confidence in his gameplan ? We have an £8.5m per season manager and he needs the players to sort out the tactics That he listened to the players and went along with their wishes doesnt really hide the fact that even the players, his players, no longer buy into what he is preaching, should send alarm bells within the club. Yes I really like that the senior players finally grew a pair and finally told him where he is going wrong, but going forward now who decides the tactics ? If we go to the swamp next week (or any game after that) and go with wenkers tactics and have a negative result, where will that leave him ? If we go there with the players gameplan then why are we paying him 8.5m per season ?

I'm wondering how coincidental it is that wenkers admission about the players input into tactical planning, is released on the same day that the article came out in the shewore website If one was a cynic (which of course I a am not ), then one could suggest that somebody within the club is hanging him out to dry and he was backed into a corner about it

[Babu]

So, finally I hope that everyone can see that Wenger is past it.
He hasn't got a clue.

Sadly it's a one-off, just like the great performance away at Dortmund, which briefly had me believing that the penny had dropped.
Because exactly like after the Dortmund game, things will be back to normal very shortly.

I go from being too romantic to too pragmatic. We knew that it was important for us to be a bit more cautious. We wanted to be a bit more reassured.
Last year we conceded many goals in big games so maybe we were a bit more focused on defending well together. But it's not the basics or philosophy of our game. That will always remain.
We are not going to change our style. Of course we want to be defensively strong but we want to play.

8 million for this garbage?
You couldn't make it up.

[Nos89]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ed-5030818

Well, this could be flipped over to read that wenger listened to his player, and let them show him that they could be disciplined. That actually shows great leadership. How many times have the players let us down by showing no discipline in defence? How often is wenger seem kicking the water bottle in frustration due to his players letting him down? Nearly every game in the last 9 seasons.
I'm certainly not an AKB but if you believe wenger watched the match oblivious to fact his players were doing their own thing, then you really haven't been paying attention for the last 18 years.

Are you having a laff ?? That is the lamest defence of wenker ever If the players feel that they need to use their tactics instead of wenkers, then what does it say about their lack of confidence in his gameplan ? We have an £8.5m per season manager and he needs the players to sort out the tactics That he listened to the players and went along with their wishes doesnt really hide the fact that even the players, his players, no longer buy into what he is preaching, should send alarm bells within the club. Yes I really like that the senior players finally grew a pair and finally told him where he is going wrong, but going forward now who decides the tactics ? If we go to the swamp next week (or any game after that) and go with wenkers tactics and have a negative result, where will that leave him ? If we go there with the players gameplan then why are we paying him 8.5m per season ?

I'm wondering how coincidental it is that wenkers admission about the players input into tactical planning, is released on the same day that the article came out in the shewore website If one was a cynic (which of course I a am not ), then one could suggest that somebody within the club is hanging him out to dry and he was backed into a corner about it

As I said from the beginning I'm not an akb I was merely giving another view. For me its the players actually delivering a disciplined performance that was the greatest aspect of the victory. If they suggested it, even better as now they have finally shown they can do it and can do so again. Only Ramsey showed a lack of disciplined in holding his position, something Jack has shown he is better at doing. As for someone hanging Wenger out to dry, unfortunately, that's the only way he'll get moved on.