Avram Grant

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Now this season will only get the humiliated wolves off his back, clearly things aren't right in the dressing room still and he needs to show he can build an attractive side when the summer transfer window opens and the mass clearout begins. He deserves his chance and I hope he rubs the journalists noses in it
dont go too far mate.

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I mean by winning stuff, not actually taunting them. Hopefully a few of the good ones will hold up their hands and admit they were wrong before slating the next unknown

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Kevinho wrote:Interesting, is it time to give Avram Grant the respect he deserves (having recently beaten Wenger, Ferguson & Benitez) or is he simply proving what everybody suspects; that any idiot could manage that team to success given the players already there and the limitless funds?

Despite his recent high-profile victories I'm still leaning toward the latter. But maybe that's just me being bitter.
How can you say he's an idiot? He managed the Israeli national team with good success (didn't lose in the qualifiers), all the teams he managed in Israel were succesful and now chelsea is better too.

He's got respect from all the top 4 managers (He was friend with all of them before he got the chelsea job) and he's not a *word censored* like jose.
So whose respect is more important. Respect from top flight managers in Red nose, Benitez and Wenger or from the press that loves Tiny Taylor and hates Arsenal?

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Magic Hat
Everything Chelski win is not down to Mourinho or Grant it is down to the £400m Abramovich has given them to spend.Where were Chelski before Abramovich arrived?.They have an owner who has throw money at the club to win things.If Arsene had spent £400m dont you think we would have won as much as Chelski if not more.Chelsea are not about who the manager is but the owner.If he ever left the bridge would fall down

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there was a peice in the paper yesterday that roman abramovich was getting bored with football and hasnt been seen in a while,, and he wasnt there last nite in what was he most important game in there short history
now we live in hope and the c**ts can go back been the 4th biggest club in london instead of the second :twisted:

i can have no respect for them, grant im warming too as he gets such bad press from the special one's friends in the media :roll:

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DanielD wrote:
Kevinho wrote:Interesting, is it time to give Avram Grant the respect he deserves (having recently beaten Wenger, Ferguson & Benitez) or is he simply proving what everybody suspects; that any idiot could manage that team to success given the players already there and the limitless funds?

Despite his recent high-profile victories I'm still leaning toward the latter. But maybe that's just me being bitter.
How can you say he's an idiot? He managed the Israeli national team with good success (didn't lose in the qualifiers), all the teams he managed in Israel were succesful and now chelsea is better too.

He's got respect from all the top 4 managers (He was friend with all of them before he got the chelsea job) and he's not a c**t like jose.
So whose respect is more important. Respect from top flight managers in Red nose, Benitez and Wenger or from the press that loves Tiny Taylor and hates Arsenal?
I thin it's too early to judge Avram Grant based upon this season as everything was in place before he came in and the club was not in meltdown as he himself likes to suggest.

Remember that Chelsea had one the easiest champions league groups based upon the clubs and their form during this season. Then Olympiakos - a joke, easist last 16 in Fenerbace and some massive luck in both semi's - something which it is fair to say Jose Mourinho didn't get)

And the league - well Chelsea were never going to finish lower than 4th and with the huge squad that they have bought, it is nou surprise that at the end of the season they come strong.

Maybe next season when some of the regulars ship out and Grant has to build a team and choose a starting 11 from scratch, we will see his calibre.

As with most things, the truth lies somewhere in the middle - I think he is competent but he is not better than Mourinho. It's just that with £146m losses, Chelsea have movesd the goalposts in terms of how you win things.

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JakeN13 wrote:I think him and Cska Stolen Russian Rubles deseve it each other. It's sad they're winning (or are about to) titles but that's life...it's up to us to rescue the world of football and bring back the glory days when the good guys were winning 8)

In what way is Grant a "bad guy??"

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JakeN13 wrote:I think him and Cska Stolen Russian Rubles deseve it each other. It's sad they're winning (or are about to) titles but that's life...it's up to us to rescue the world of football and bring back the glory days when the good guys were winning 8)
When did we become the good guys?

What a crazy world in which we live :lol: 8)

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Post by Wembley Gooner »

i actually quite like grant. i'm not too sure about his managerial skills, but in his interviews he's not as balnd as people make him out to be.

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donaldo wrote:Magic Hat
Everything Chelski win is not down to Mourinho or Grant it is down to the £400m Abramovich has given them to spend.Where were Chelski before Abramovich arrived?.They have an owner who has throw money at the club to win things.If Arsene had spent £400m dont you think we would have won as much as Chelski if not more.Chelsea are not about who the manager is but the owner.If he ever left the bridge would fall down
decent cup team with a record for inconsistency? Beat Man U and then lose to Bradford sort of team. Spurs spend more then us, where are they? Should they not be challenging for the title given the money or was it poor managers and somewhat odd board room moments that undermined them? Or Newcastle. Chelsea have had tons of money yes but you also need a good manager and a sane board/chairman to succeed, while Roman hasn't always been the best of owners in some respects, he isn't Gillet or Hicks either.

Should Roman go, Chelsea will go bankrupt considering how much they owe him.

Yet Grant does deserve credit. He came in with the press, the fans on his back, a view that he was a puppet while his players lost a man they had loved (till recently) and would probably not have heard of Grant's managerial record. The top scorer wanted to leave, Terry's form has dropped, the squad was filled with debatable players. Despite coping with injuries with far less whining then Jose, despite a dressing room that seems still divided, Grant has battled through and kept the pressure on. These aren't even his players, he wants to get rid of a lot of them yet he has managed to make the best of it.

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Any sucess at Chav$ki will be inspite of Avram not because. Look at last night taking Lampard off for Sheva with 3 mins to go and all they have to do is avoid concending another goal. I would have pissed my self when Sheva gave away that goal kick if Scousers had ended up scoring.

He knows fluck all!

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That would be why he has won cups and held off France twice with a very limited group of players

Taking off a Lampard who has barely trained is understandable, the hard working striker Schenvko over Mikel... probably not what I would have gone for but he is a hard working player who did clear off the line against Man U. After coming in as a sub so preventing a draw. Not a bad sub

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Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end) wrote:Any sucess at Chav$ki will be inspite of Avram not because. Look at last night taking Lampard off for Sheva with 3 mins to go and all they have to do is avoid concending another goal. I would have pissed my self when Sheva gave away that goal kick if Scousers had ended up scoring.

He knows fluck all!
If that's the case, Wenger doesn't knows what a ball looks like. How many times this season, especially in the big matches, we were leading and lost or drawn the match? How many times did Chelski lost or drawn after they've taken the lead? I bet it goes in Chelsea's favour.

I'm sorry fellas, but he is really underrated in england. All of grant's critics keep saying that chelsea is a team of big stars, but fail to mention that with that star status, there is a big ego as a "bonus". Grant is controlling this team, WITHOUT being a "high profile" manager, which makes his job even tougher.

A manager that gets this sort of group together and brings the club to new levels, without having the status other managers in england have, must know more than F*ck all.
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Post by Herbert144 »

I think Avram Grant is a first rate manager. He may not have Jose Mourinho's volatile and charismatic character, but in his quiet way he has brought consistency to Chelsea and made them extremely hard to beat. I think it's only fair to say that Jose laid the foundations of the team Avram Grant inherited, but if he wasn't a good manager the team would have fallen apart by now, not gone from strength to strength as it has. It's absurd that his position as manager could be under threat considering where Chelsea are. As for spending money, well, Mourinho did most of that. If Grant stays at Chelsea, then we'll be able to evaluate his judgement regarding players by what he does in closed season. So far though, I'm impressed.

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DanielD wrote:
Fabby is a Foot (Leg-end) wrote:Any sucess at Chav$ki will be inspite of Avram not because. Look at last night taking Lampard off for Sheva with 3 mins to go and all they have to do is avoid concending another goal. I would have pissed my self when Sheva gave away that goal kick if Scousers had ended up scoring.

He knows fluck all!
If that's the case, Wenger doesn't knows what a ball looks like. How many times this season, especially in the big matches, we were leading and lost or drawn the match? How many times did Chelski lost or drawn after they've taken the lead? I bet it goes in Chelsea's favour.

I'm sorry fellas, but he is really underrated in england. All of grant's critics keep saying that chelsea is a team of big stars, but fail to mention that with that star status, there is a big ego as a "bonus". Grant is controlling this team, WITHOUT being a "high profile" manager, which makes his job even tougher.

A manager that gets this sort of group together and brings the club to new levels, without having the status other managers in england have, must know more than F*ck all.
Three Prem titles, five 2nd place finishes, four FA cups and another final, CL final, UEFA final, three times manager of the year and four charity shields says he does know what a ball looks like.

When Average Grant has even half of that record tell me Arsene doesn't know what a ball looks like. Yes we have given up leads but not when making mad desissiuons. The lost games highlight our lack of depth something Avram Gank does not have to worry about - he has Mourinho's squad to help him.

So was Drogba and Ballack against Manure proof of how he deals with egos???? The way he has treated Ben Tel Haim proof of how he deals with egos??? Bollox.

Fact is he has inherited a very good squad brought together by another manager. the team is run by Abramovich. He is a muppet and a puppet. Easily not the worst manager in the prem but not nearly good enough to be talked about in the same breath or even sentance as Wenger!

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