THE WENGER THREAD

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LaughingGooner wrote:
officepest wrote:More unvarnished sense from Sean, as usual. 8)

You should post more often mate, you're definitely one of the best of the newer members to have joined.

Yep, brilliant post. You'll be very popular here if you continue following the sheep on here....... :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:
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+10 points for the use of the word "sheep". :roll:

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officepest wrote:
LaughingGooner wrote:
officepest wrote:More unvarnished sense from Sean, as usual. 8)

You should post more often mate, you're definitely one of the best of the newer members to have joined.

Yep, brilliant post. You'll be very popular here if you continue following the sheep on here....... :barscarf: :barscarf: :barscarf:
:tumbleweed:

+10 points for the use of the word "sheep". :roll:
- 10 points for use of the word "here" twice in quick succession......boring !

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TBF Lg has a point, I mean for fucks sake is this new poster some sort of love child of Augie, Sid, Teecee, Rodders et al combined, I know a cat can be sired by 7 males but didn't know a gooner could :shock:

There are so many holes in these recent Wenger tirades its laughable and although I know his time is up at Arsenal to say he should have been winning leagues the last 10 years (massively overachieving in the process when compared to our rivals substantially greater spending power) is quite frankly silly.

The last 2 years when we have allegedly had huge resources to compete with the top tier then I agree he has fallen well short in not recruiting the required level of player but before that he has kept Arsenal in the top four when overseeing the move to a huge stadium and although there has been some bad buys etc along the way we have still prevailed.

You can whine all day and pick out this player that player blah fucking cry blah but we still have kept above a host of teams that until recently outspent us including the spuds, newcastle, liverpool.

Sometimes I feel sorry for most posters on this forum because I truly believe unless we are winning the league every season you will still be bemoaning the missed chance of the next "super manager" that has passed us by.

Anyhow happy new year and I hope you all had a great Christmas and I am sure Santa brought you all you deserved (not you herd cos you are on the "pwopa nawty list" :wink: ), :barscarf:

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"I'm not an akb but.......

I will defend, excuse and praise Wenger at every available opportunity.
Oh yea, I still want him to leave but hes a fukin genius. Look what hes done for us, and with no money too. Look at other teams......They're below us yea? They have spent more than us yea? Well there ya go. That proves he's great doesn't it? The man should be praised not criticised.
Oh but I want him to go really. I really do.

I'm not an akb but..........
"

Extract taken from "The Wenger Apologist Handbook" 8th edition.

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A love child of Augie, Sid and me would make Hitler look like Mary fucking Poppins :lol:

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rodders999 wrote:A love child of Augie, Sid and me would make Hitler look like Mary fucking Poppins :lol:
I liked the un-edited version of this post better. :wink:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:There are so many holes in these recent Wenger tirades its laughable and although I know his time is up at Arsenal to say he should have been winning leagues the last 10 years (massively overachieving in the process when compared to our rivals substantially greater spending power) is quite frankly silly.
I think we see things somewhat differently; "Massively overachieving" is a bit of a fucking stretch.

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I wonder where exactly all this wonderful management over the last 10 years actually is, here's a clue for the Wenger apologists the man is supposed to be a football manager not a bank manager.

I'm sick of the bull about not having enough money to be able to improve the squad being used on one hand as an excuse but on the other hand none of them ever look at the amount of money he has squandered on sub par players wages week in week out...

What a load of bollocks this same old tired excuse is!!

The resources available to Arsene Wenger could have been used by any number of managers to keep the club where it was, ffs Roberto Di Matteo who was a new and inexperienced manager won Chelsea the CL therefore i'd expect a supposedly vastly more experienced and superior manager to have done far better over a 10 year period, where he was able to influence every single facet of the club, academy, reserves, training etc etc and during that period won 2 FA Cups right at the end of it and absolutely nothing else.

Oh and for another thing exactly where is this superior managers experience and ability being shown?

1) In the transfer market.... no, our 3 best buys recently, as good as they are, were not first team regulars who he poached from rival clubs they were players out of favour at their clubs who he still had to pay a lot for, hardly what you'd call shrewd wheeling and dealing to get them to come here on superior wages and guaranteed regular playing time.

2) Our Academy, seriously name me more than 1 or 2 good players who have come out of our academy and gone on to the highest level of football anywhere in the world in the last 15 years, but supposedly he is a great coach and mentor, what a load of bollocks he is a baby sitter who only ever gives those who toe his line a glimpse of a chance, embarrassingly our academy is not a patch on Southamptons ffs, immaterial of how we feel about the individual players they have made the club some serious money over the last 10 years!!

3) Financially, during the same period we were paying for our new stadium, AW bought in good players and then either wasted them tactically by playing them out of position, therefore wasting the money spent or even worse brought in below par players and then kept giving them bigger and bigger pay rises and kept them at the club (still does) long after their usefulness is over or they are proven to be not good enough.

4) Tactically ?!?! WTF the same old embarrassing results have been posted on here so many times they are indelibly burned into our psyche and don't need bringing up again, altohugh add to the list the recent 4-0 to Southampton who had failed to win 7 previously.

5) CL, great we qualified and made the money for the group stages time and time again, and all too often when we got their we scraped through against inferior teams only to get smashed in the last 16. Success, maybe financially for the overall Arsenal brand but not for him as a great manager and not for Arsenal FC, (for those who can't separate or don't understand we are actually a football club and as supporters have a right to complain when our hard earned money and a lot of it is not being used to improve the team sufficiently over a very long period).


To finish, too many of our idiot supporters have fallen into this mythos surrounding Wenger that he is a great and irreplaceable manager and continue to regurgitate the same old spurious bollocks to prop him up, do some serious analysis and look at all the facts and figures.

I urge you to go and look at the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the world and see exactly how successful 9 of them have been in their domestic league, cup and european competitions in the last 10 years and how many managers those clubs have gone through and compare them to Arsenal it really is quite eye opening.

Oh one other thing, have a look at the financial figures too, there are very few players at those clubs apart from the absolute world class ones especially on the continent who get paid anywhere near what our ones get, especially way back 10-12 years ago, and when you add up the weekly wages we've squandered (even if they are only rough or speculative figures) you'll see AW burned a hell of a lot more cash than the Wenger supporters actually realise or will openly admit :banghead:

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GoonerMuzz wrote:I wonder where exactly all this wonderful management over the last 10 years actually is, here's a clue for the Wenger apologists the man is supposed to be a football manager not a bank manager.

I'm sick of the bull about not having enough money to be able to improve the squad being used on one hand as an excuse but on the other hand none of them ever look at the amount of money he has squandered on sub par players wages week in week out...

What a load of bollocks this same old tired excuse is!!

The resources available to Arsene Wenger could have been used by any number of managers to keep the club where it was, ffs Roberto Di Matteo who was a new and inexperienced manager won Chelsea the CL therefore i'd expect a supposedly vastly more experienced and superior manager to have done far better over a 10 year period, where he was able to influence every single facet of the club, academy, reserves, training etc etc and during that period won 2 FA Cups right at the end of it and absolutely nothing else.

Oh and for another thing exactly where is this superior managers experience and ability being shown?

1) In the transfer market.... no, our 3 best buys recently, as good as they are, were not first team regulars who he poached from rival clubs they were players out of favour at their clubs who he still had to pay a lot for, hardly what you'd call shrewd wheeling and dealing to get them to come here on superior wages and guaranteed regular playing time.

2) Our Academy, seriously name me more than 1 or 2 good players who have come out of our academy and gone on to the highest level of football anywhere in the world in the last 15 years, but supposedly he is a great coach and mentor, what a load of bollocks he is a baby sitter who only ever gives those who toe his line a glimpse of a chance, embarrassingly our academy is not a patch on Southamptons ffs, immaterial of how we feel about the individual players they have made the club some serious money over the last 10 years!!

3) Financially, during the same period we were paying for our new stadium, AW bought in good players and then either wasted them tactically by playing them out of position, therefore wasting the money spent or even worse brought in below par players and then kept giving them bigger and bigger pay rises and kept them at the club (still does) long after their usefulness is over or they are proven to be not good enough.

4) Tactically ?!?! WTF the same old embarrassing results have been posted on here so many times they are indelibly burned into our psyche and don't need bringing up again, altohugh add to the list the recent 4-0 to Southampton who had failed to win 7 previously.

5) CL, great we qualified and made the money for the group stages time and time again, and all too often when we got their we scraped through against inferior teams only to get smashed in the last 16. Success, maybe financially for the overall Arsenal brand but not for him as a great manager and not for Arsenal FC, (for those who can't separate or don't understand we are actually a football club and as supporters have a right to complain when our hard earned money and a lot of it is not being used to improve the team sufficiently over a very long period).


To finish, too many of our idiot supporters have fallen into this mythos surrounding Wenger that he is a great and irreplaceable manager and continue to regurgitate the same old spurious bollocks to prop him up, do some serious analysis and look at all the facts and figures.

I urge you to go and look at the top 10 wealthiest clubs in the world and see exactly how successful 9 of them have been in their domestic league, cup and european competitions in the last 10 years and how many managers those clubs have gone through and compare them to Arsenal it really is quite eye opening.

Oh one other thing, have a look at the financial figures too, there are very few players at those clubs apart from the absolute world class ones especially on the continent who get paid anywhere near what our ones get, especially way back 10-12 years ago, and when you add up the weekly wages we've squandered (even if they are only rough or speculative figures) you'll see AW burned a hell of a lot more cash than the Wenger supporters actually realise or will openly admit :banghead:
But who will we get to replace him? :lol:

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officepest wrote:
LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:There are so many holes in these recent Wenger tirades its laughable and although I know his time is up at Arsenal to say he should have been winning leagues the last 10 years (massively overachieving in the process when compared to our rivals substantially greater spending power) is quite frankly silly.
I think we see things somewhat differently; "Massively overachieving" is a bit of a fucking stretch.
I agree....baaaa...baaaa.... :roll: :D

It's all a fairly inexact science to link exactly where we stand on resources to what we achieve.

We couldn't/can't win the league because of our resources relative to City/Chelsea. Fine. But then in a league in which, over the last ten years, there's has been a maximum of how many teams who could win the league? And coming fourth when you have substantially hgher(comparable to those above) wage bills to Everton, Spurs, etc...is not overachieving. It is achieving the target.

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If regularly finishing the odd point above Spurs - whose wage bill is around 60% of ours -and winning fuck all constitutes massively overachieving in that era then sure we overachieved.

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rodders999 wrote:A love child of Augie, Sid and me would look like bald, fat, angry masturbationist. :lol:
:D :wink: :wink:

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armchair wrote:
rodders999 wrote:A love child of Augie, Sid and me would make Hitler look like Mary fuking Poppins :lol:
I liked the un-edited version of this post better. :wink:
:lol:

I thought I was replying to knobhead on the previous page but hadn't refreshed the forum in a bit so the post ended up in the wrong place.

Changed it around then but the original sentiment still applies :wink:

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LeftfootlegendGooner wrote:TBF Lg has a point, I mean for fucks sake is this new poster some sort of love child of Augie, Sid, Teecee, Rodders et al combined, I know a cat can be sired by 7 males but didn't know a gooner could :shock:

There are so many holes in these recent Wenger tirades its laughable and although I know his time is up at Arsenal to say he should have been winning leagues the last 10 years (massively overachieving in the process when compared to our rivals substantially greater spending power) is quite frankly silly.

The last 2 years when we have allegedly had huge resources to compete with the top tier then I agree he has fallen well short in not recruiting the required level of player but before that he has kept Arsenal in the top four when overseeing the move to a huge stadium and although there has been some bad buys etc along the way we have still prevailed.

You can whine all day and pick out this player that player blah fucking cry blah but we still have kept above a host of teams that until recently outspent us including the spuds, newcastle, liverpool.

Sometimes I feel sorry for most posters on this forum because I truly believe unless we are winning the league every season you will still be bemoaning the missed chance of the next "super manager" that has passed us by.

Anyhow happy new year and I hope you all had a great Christmas and I am sure Santa brought you all you deserved (not you herd cos you are on the "pwopa nawty list" :wink: ), :barscarf:
I agree with several of your points. A little shocked at a poster not ridiculing Wenger.
Have attempted to argue my case here but merely been labelled a 'WUM'
I still think the majority back Wenger.
It's just a case of the anti Wenger brigade being much more vocal.
It say the club is not progressing in any way is pure delusional.
Wengers got his weaknesses, which I've highlighted here, but the way in which he's been abused here on a daily basis is a disgrace and an embarrassment to the majority of arsenal fans.

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I read in last night's Evening Standard that the Spuds are set to reward Delle Alli's form by doubling his pay. He will go from £10k to £20k a week now. :shock:
Reading that, I was absolutely gobsmacked but then again, it makes sense how we spend more than double what the Spuds do on wages. Players like Delle Alli and Alderweireld are getting less than £30k a week in wages - meanwhile there's talk our latest Egyptian farming friend from Swiss football will be earning £60k a week :shock:
That's credible when you see Giroud (£130k), Wankpot (£140k), Coquelin (£60k and for what?), Gibbs (£60k), Ox (£60k for a guy who just gets worse) and that's without even going into 80k Arteta and Rosicknote :roll:
I'm constantly amazed at people who talk about what a financial "genius" Arsene is because in any other industry paying such above-market rate wages for dross that fails persistently, would have you sectioned or sacked. Arsenal could have a world class holding mid, a world class centre back (instead of the German pussy) and of course, an outstanding striker of top quality (I'd take Lukaku in a heartbeat, or we could easily get Griezmann on those wages).

It's another example of how incredibly wasteful and badly/irresponsibly Wenker is running this club which is NOT his. Arsenal should be bigger than this cock, we are not Crewe Alexandra being held together by Dario Gradi FFS. We should be able to sack and replace any underperforming circus act with a superior one. But we demean ourselves by making Wenger bigger than the club - and make no mistake, Wenker is bigger than AFC. Which is pathetic. Unsackable, unaccountable, in charge of transfers, in charge of training and academy appointments, in charge of which CEO is appointed, attends board meetings FFS.

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