D-Day for Flamini

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dorset_gooner wrote:All this talk of Cana made me search for the 50 hardest players in football ever - this makes good reading, PV4 even gets to number 33!!

Football's 50 greatest hard men

Football isn’t always the Beautiful Game. Sometimes it can get ugly. Really, really, ugly. And nobody has done more to bring the threat of menace or the whiff of danger to our sport than the following merchants of mayhem

50 Pierluigi Collina (Referee)

Not strictly speaking (or even vaguely speaking) a player. But the scary Nosferatu-ringer easily merits a place in the top 50 toughest football folk, for his forbidding, bug-eyed glare alone.

49 Chic Charnley (Partick Thistle and many more)

Trouble was Chic’s middle name (actually it turns out to be Callaghan, but you know what we mean). Holds the sendings off record for British senior football. During a training session in a Glasgow park he was attacked by two men with samurai swords. The pair ran away.

48 Joe Louis (Liverpool)

The heavyweight champion of the world signed for The Reds while he was stationed near Liverpool during the war. True, he never played a League game – but how much harder can you get than one of the greatest boxers of all time?

47 Miguel Angel Nadal (Barcelona and Spain)

His nickname says it all – would you want to take on The Beast?

46 Roy McDonough (Birmingham City and many more)

English lower league legend who racked up a national-record 21 red cards in a trouble-strewn career.

45 Marco Materazzi (Everton, Inter and Italy)

The man they call The Matrix due to his unpredictable personality dispenses pain like other Italians dish out linguine con vongole.

44 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Ajax, Juventus, Inter and Sweden)

Sharpest elbows in continental Europe, and isn’t fussy where he sticks them.

43 Fernando Hierro (Real Madrid and Spain)

Immovable as a rock in the chaos of the galactico years at the Bernabeu.

42 Duncan Edwards (Manchester United and England)

A giant of a man when he died from grievous injuries sustained at Munich, aged just 21.

41 Bobo Balde (Celtic)

The Frenchman might have a first name like a Teletubby, but he’s harder to push around than the Eiffel Tower.

40 Billy Whitehurst (Sheffield United, Hull City and Newcastle United)

Cult centre-forward viewed by Alan Hansen among others as the roughest player they’ve come across.

39 Paolo Montero (Juventus and Uruguay)

The Montero clothes-line was the most feared defensive weapon in the game. Try running anywhere with a stiff Uruguayan forearm jammed in your Adam’s apple.

38 Duncan Ferguson (Dundee United, Rangers, Everton, Newcastle United and Scotland)

Pigeon-fancier who did bird for crimes related to football and chip shops, and emerged from Barlinnie without a scratch.

37 Nobby Stiles (Manchester United and England)

The world’s toughest-ever person named Norbert.

36 Daniel Passarella (Argentina)

Looked every inch the Latin American desperado from central casting, and tackled with the ferocity of the wild bull of the Pampas.

35 Frank Barson (Aston Villa, Manchester United and Watford)

Famed for brutality even in the 1920s when footballers were less squeamish about physical play than they are today. On frequent occasions Barson was escorted out of grounds by policemen to protect him from mobs of angry opposition fans. Once banned for seven months for a hideous challenge in a match against Fulham.

34 Joe Jordan (Leeds, Manchester United, AC Milan and Scotland)

There have been few more fearsome sights in the European game than 'Jaws' Jordan without his front teeth.

33 Patrick Vieira (Arsenal, Inter and France)

Wasn’t from the psychopath school of hardmen, but was always ready to ensure Arsenal’s talented kids never had their lunch money stolen by Premiership bully boys. And ten Premiership red cards was a fair effort.

32 Jose Emilio Santamaria (Real Madrid, Uruguay and Spain)

While the likes of Puskas, Gento and Di Stefano were weaving their spells up the field for Real in the 1950s and 1960s, the hulking Uruguayan was booting opponents over the stand to make like easier for them.

31 Kenny Burns (Nottingham Forest and Scotland)

Every city he played in needed a Burns Unit at the nearest hospital.

30 Romeo Benetti (Italy)

Spiteful midfielder who epitomised the ultra-defensive, don’t-lose-at all-costs attitude of Italy in the early 1970s.

29 Bert Trautmann (Manchester City)

The former German paratrooper played on with a broken neck in Manchester City’s 3-1 win over Birmingham City in the 1956 FA Cup Final. If the Wehrmacht had had a few more like him we might have been looking forward to the start of the new Barclays Bundesliga this week.

28 Jack Charlton (Leeds United and England)

Denied ever having a little black book of prospective victims. But he was always the evil twin to Saint Bobby.

27 Ferenc Puskas (Real Madrid and Hungary)

Better known as one of the greatest footballers ever, Puskas was also a bit tasty. The ex-Hungarian army major was mentioned in dispatches after the notorious Battle of Berne when the Magyars beat Brazil 4-1 in the 1954 World Cup semi-final. It all went off in the dressing rooms after the game. Puskas kept crazed South Americans at bay with a boot in one hand, a bottle in the other.

26 Peter Storey (Arsenal and England)

One Storey that belonged in the horror section.

25 Ron Harris (Chelsea)

The man they called Chopper was the unacceptable face of a talented Chelsea team in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

24 Benjamin Massing (Cameroon)

His operatically over-the-top assault demolished Claudio Caniggia in the first game of the 1990 World Cup – the most ruthless assassination Milan had seen since partisans strung up Mussolini in 1945. Was Massing sent off? Is the Pope German?

23 Terry Hurlock (Millwall)

Neil Ruddock was asked in a magazine Q&A, ‘What’s your favourite animal?’ ‘Terry Hurlock,’ he replied.

22 Bryan Robson (Manchester United and England)

Injuries never bothered Captain Marvel. If he had a broken leg, it was the fracture that got depressed.

21 Terry Butcher (Ipswich, Rangers and England)

He could dish it out, but Terry ‘Butcher’ Butcher could take it too. Witness the night in Sweden when he ended the game with a crimson shirt, soaked with blood in the England cause.

20 Graeme Souness (Liverpool, Rangers and Scotland)

Garth Crooks whimpered that Souey was an ‘uncompromising brute’. Marked his Rangers debut with a red card for a two-footed outrage on Hibernian's George McCluskey, which sparked a 22-man melee.

19 Luis Medina (Estudiantes)

The Argentine was the nastiest specimen in one of the most despicable teams ever to emerge from South America. Estudiantes kicked, gouged and elbowed their way through a World Club Championship against Manchester United in 1968. Medina was sent off for picking on poor Georgie Best.

18 Norman Hunter (Leeds United and England)

Storming Norman was the first villain to claim the nickname ‘Bites yer legs’. Leeds’ trainer Les Cocker was once told Hunter had gone home with a broken leg. ‘Whose is it?’ he asked.

17 Antonio Rattin (Argentina)

The stone-thighed skipper stood out among a vintage crop of headcases at the 1966 World Cup in England. His sending off in the quarter-final prompted affable Sir Alf to brand the visitors ‘animals’.

16 Billy Bremner (Leeds United and Scotland)

The truculent so-and-so from a rough housing scheme in Stirling was the fiery ginger Scottish tough guy incarnate. Once described in a Sunday Times headline as ‘10st of barbed wire.’

15 Dave Mackay (Tottenham Hotspur and Scotland)

‘Mackay was unquestionably the hardest man I ever played against. And certainly the bravest.’ The words of George Best, who had been kicked by some of the world’s most lethal boot-boys.

14 Jose Batista (Uruguay)

The men from Montevideo have had their share of hoodlums down the years, and few can match the boorish antics of Batista. The highlight – sent off inside a minute against Scotland at the 1986 World Cup for a challenge that threatened to reduce Gordon Strachan to his constituent parts.

13 Paul Reaney (Leeds)

Best also rated Meanie Reaney among the people he least liked being kicked by. ‘(He) was among the toughest players I played against,’ he said. ‘He was at you the whole 90 minutes, using every dodgy trick in the book.’

12 Giuseppe Lorenzo (Bologna)

The quick-fisted Bolognese turned a match against Parma into a scene from a spaghetti western inside ten seconds in 1990. Lorenzo lamped an opponent and earned the fastest red card in history.

11 Roy Keane (Manchester United and Republic of Ireland)

So hard even Fergie was frightened of him.

10 Marco Tardelli (Italy)

Jimmy Greaves had Mad Dog Marco’s number. ‘He’s responsible for more scar tissue that the surgeons at Harefield Hospital,’ he observed.

9 Giuseppe Bergomi (Italy)

Looked like a fellow who had been black-balled by the Cosa Nostra for using unnecessary force.

8 Claudio Gentile (Italy)

There was nothing remotely genteel about Claudio, who formed the final leg of Italy’s Bad-Badder-Baddest trio with Bergomi and Tardelli at the 1982 World Cup.

7 Tommy Smith (Liverpool)

The man who made Biffa Bacon look like George Clooney was nicknamed The Anfield Iron. Legend says that Merseyside mothers kept his picture on the mantelpiece to keep their kids away from the fire. Missed the 1978 European Cup Final after tripping on a pickaxe and injuring his foot. The pickaxe was a write-off.

6 Leonel Sanchez (Chile)

The fistic outside-left played a starring role in one of the dirtiest matches in World Cup history – the Battle of Santiago against Italy at the World Cup in 1962. Sanchez, the son of a boxer, knocked out Humberto Maschio with a devastating left hook.

5 Johnny Giles (Leeds United and Ireland)

Harmer Giles graduated from Don Revie’s Academy of the Dark Arts with honours. In a team populated with miscreants, Giles was top of the shop. Chelsea’s Tommy Baldwin said, ‘Giles was the main instigator of the really bad tackles.’

4 Willie Woodburn (Rangers and Scotland)

Scottish centre-half of the 1950s who made Bremner, Mackay et al look like Sassenach milksops. He was kicked out of the game for life by the SFA after incurring a fifth sending off in six years – an astonishing strike rate for the time.

3 Basile Boli (Marseille, Rangers and France)

The only man brave and/or crazy enough to put the head on our own much-loved ‘Psycho’ Pearce. Bad Basile nutted Stuart at Euro 92, and lived to tell the tale. (see No.2)

2 Stuart Pearce (Nottingham Forest and England)

If ever an Englishman had a Heart of Oak it was Pearce – with a head hewn from the same material. When Boli butted him in Malmo (see No 3) Pearce felt nowt and got on with the game. That’s a man, my son.

1 Andoni Goikoetxea (Athletic Bilbao)

Everyone expected the Spanish Inquisition when they faced this mean hombre. The Butcher of Bilbao was plainly at least one prawn short of a paella, and delighted in reducing star names to rubble. Pride of place in the living room of El Sod was a glass case, containing one football boot. The boot he had used to destroy Diego Maradona’s ankle ligaments. Aye caramba!


What no Vinny Jones???

Goodbye Flaminal. Remember it only goes downhill when you leave Arsenal!!

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just watched the yesterdays highlights he didn't look like man on his way :?

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i have been saying from the start of the season that he is only playing for us because he would of had to by out the rest of his contract witch was just over a mill



we will mess up big time not paying him the money he wanted


it will cost us over 10 mill to replace him. bad bizz if you ask me

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ko king wrote:i have been saying from the start of the season that he is only playing for us because he would of had to by out the rest of his contract witch was just over a mill



we will mess up big time not paying him the money he wanted


it will cost us over 10 mill to replace him. bad bizz if you ask me
The thing is mate if we were to match AC's offer, which by the way Juve couldn't even do, we would be opening a can of worms in terms of our pay structure, which could cost us a lot more than 10M, at the end of the day we're a bit skint and the people who are running the club have done their sums and have decided that 55 grand a week was a fair offer in light of our financial status, and remember hasn't Cashley lost the respect of practically the entire footballing world as he is slaughtered in the press and booed at every ground up and down the country, for his reaction to being offered the same amount!

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ko king wrote:i have been saying from the start of the season that he is only playing for us because he would of had to by out the rest of his contract witch was just over a mill



we will mess up big time not paying him the money he wanted


it will cost us over 10 mill to replace him. bad bizz if you ask me
Arsene won't spend that much! As much as it is going to annoy every Arsenal fan I think next years squad will be weaker than this years. Who knows who else might leave and with Wenger saying he will bring in 1 experienced player (probably means someone at age 24). I can't see him bringing in at least the 4/5 players we will need (gk,at least 1 good centre back,winger that scores goals, possibly a striker). Lehmann, probably Gilberto gone (unless Arsene keeps him for 1 more season for Flamini), Hleb and possibly Gallas.

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Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks to be done. Flamini is gone. :cry:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 28,00.html

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Money gabbing tosser!

Maybe his car will swerve off the road as Arsenal only offered him £55k a week!

:evil:

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Post by dashboard »

there is a clip of flamini walking out of a hotel in Milan on skysportsnews.

looks like he has made his mind up.

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Post by G_G »

I've just read the latest news on this story.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=80127

Flamini had a medical this morning and then he'll sign his contract in the afternoon .
His first public interview as a Milan player : 'I'm very happy, thanks a lot'.

He'll fly back to LDN in the evening....
Would be nice to shout a few words at him as soon as he lands....especially after he lied to many fans when he said that he was staying...

Stansted anyone ???

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Just let Flamini go :cry: Yeah he was good and everything but AC Milan offered him more money, fact. And maybe he is a boyhood AC Milan fan. As long as he doesn't talk shite about us in the future, I won't dislike him.

As Quartz pointed out, will his high tempo game work as well as it does in Premiership? Serie A is based on technical aspects rather than physical ones, so does Flamini really have the technique like the likes of Hleb and Cesc do. I don't think so. Won't be surprised if he fails to repeat this season's explosive form.

Remember, it is Arsenal who make players good, not players who make Arsenal good 8)

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How did he lie? He served his contract, said that he'd like to stay, but it was always going to be conditional. Call him a money grabber if you like, because that's what he's done, but the fact is, he's joined one of the most famous clubs in the world who obviously see him as more important than we do.

I reiterate, he didn't break any rules and served us very loyally. Good luck to him. The only reason this pisses me off so much is because I know that Arsene will do nothing about it, at all. There will be no big signing and we're going to have to settle for Denilson or Diaby trying to fill Flamini's boots. However, that is Arsene's (or the board's) fault, not Flamini's.

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khalid_red wrote:Remember, it is Arsenal who make players good, not players who make Arsenal good 8)
Yeah, we make them and then are forced to sell them.

The only thing that bothers me about the Flamini situation is how we had to sell Diarra as we were giving Flamini more game time than him and at the end of the season we are losing Flamini as well. If this was Tottenham we will be laughing at them, so i feel we have become a bit of a laughing stock as a result of this whole situation.

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Post by g88ner »

Oh well....its a done deal.

BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/footbal ... 383314.stm

SKYSPORTS:
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 81,00.html

Well thats a bolt out of the blue..they kept that quiet!
- I never saw that coming in a million years! :roll: :wink:

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Post by Wembley Gooner »

yep it's official - on SSN now.
That takes the piss for me especially how he didnt even bother acknowledging the crowd yesterday :twisted:

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Wembley Gooner wrote:yep it's official - on SSN now.
That takes the piss for me especially how he didnt even bother acknowledging the crowd yesterday :twisted:
Actually, I thought it was fairly dcent of him to bother turning up for the lap of honour.

He could quite easily have just gone off to Milan, and avoid the Everton game.

Its disappointing....but I honestly feel he acted professionally throughout it all...and at the end of th day, he is a free agent, and therefore its his decision to make.

Shame though :roll:

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