Mikel Arteta, success or failure? - Merged thread.

[DB10GOONER]

De Zerbi

Brighton have one of the worst records for goals conceded in the league. They have already conceded 33 this year, on track to concede more than the 53 they conceded last year. I always see teams pass right through Brighton. Could easily see De Zerbi mirroring Potters time at Chelsea. Thinking we are getting a top manager and in the end it goes to shit. We have one of the better defensive records, in fact its the second best in the league. And next year when De Zerbi who cant organize a team off the ball and has up shipping goals and we are down in 6th, then what?

The idea for sacking Arteta its too early for him to compete against veterans like Pep and Klopp. On what basis is De Zerbi the guy to better Klopp or Pep? Even more to the point, we run the risk of sliding down the league if De Zerbi turns into another Potter.

There is little upside to appointing De Zerbi, and plenty of downside. Its madness to suggest sacking Arteta for De Zerbi. De Zerbi is the flavour of the month manager. His Brighton teams sit in the league similar to where Potter had them.

Its best to stick with Arteta. I mean FFS when he first joined we were miles off anything. He got rid of the dwellers and got us into a position where we are talking about the PL or CL. Therefore, if we are going to sack him, his replacement needs to be a proper manager with serious pedigree. If we sacked Arteta and finished next season in 7th place under Roberto De Dopi, dont blame me.

I think the correct word is revisionist - someone who examines and tries to change existing beliefs about how events happened or what their importance or meaning is

The season before pep's cone boy took over Arsenal we finished 5th in premier league 1pt off top 4, and were runners up in the europa league - - he did that with a fractured dressing room under the influence of a few bad apples. He wasnt allowed throw out those bad apples and nor was he given a kings ransom to spend. The following season el basque came in and finished 8th in the league and won the covid fa cup, but since he got shot of those dwellers he hasnt come close to winning anything. He has bottled the run in for both of the last two seasons, and our record in the cups since that fa cup win is truly pathetic. Its funny that you slate de zerbi when comparing him to diet pep considering that last season we got 3pts from possible 6 from them so it isnt as if arteta shows him up in head to head - considering that el basque has spent close to 700m you would expect him to steam roller little old brighton if he is that good of a coach You talk about de zebi being unable to organise a team off the ball, but I dont see him playing his left back in midfield and allowing opposition teams run riot down that wing You call de zerbi flavour of the month and maybe he is (time will tell), but the reality is that for fools like you peps cone boy is flavour of the month living off a cup win three years ago, and if he hadnt won that covid cup the tide would have turned against him by now given how we are regressing and how he has frozen some good players out - I have no doubt that you will catch up in time, but when that time comes I will blame you for supporting a clueless numpty for years after you should have stopped

Agreed 100%. And that's without mentioning that pre-judging De Zerbi based on his past or current experiences at a tiny club, with no money, and mostly gash to average players, is the thinking of someone with no basic understanding of how football works.

Who is to say that Di Zerbi would not come in and be pragmatic, set us up with a proper organised midfield and defence, stop demotivating and making nervous both keepers, and use the bigger budget (or sell a couple of shit players) and buy the striker we've needed so badly for the last three or four seasons?

Equally he might not be up to the job. This childish fucking nonsense of US Wilson and a couple others of "we can only replace Merkin Head with some Godly proven football genius with twenty league titles" is the thinking of children ffs. You could put Baldy Pep in the job and there is no guarantee he'd succeed. You take a chance to some extent every time you appoint a new manager and unfounded fear of failure is a stupid excuse to fall back on rather than dismiss a proven failure of a manager.

Di Zerbi would not be my first choice necessarily but I'd give him a go just to be rid of Martinez-Lite and his aircraft hanger-filling ego and modern snowflake "intellectual" football psycobabble that has us weaker than we would be under a pragmatic manager that puts his team before his ego.

[wilson2.0]

De Zerbi

Brighton have one of the worst records for goals conceded in the league. They have already conceded 33 this year, on track to concede more than the 53 they conceded last year. I always see teams pass right through Brighton. Could easily see De Zerbi mirroring Potters time at Chelsea. Thinking we are getting a top manager and in the end it goes to shit. We have one of the better defensive records, in fact its the second best in the league. And next year when De Zerbi who cant organize a team off the ball and has up shipping goals and we are down in 6th, then what?

The idea for sacking Arteta its too early for him to compete against veterans like Pep and Klopp. On what basis is De Zerbi the guy to better Klopp or Pep? Even more to the point, we run the risk of sliding down the league if De Zerbi turns into another Potter.

There is little upside to appointing De Zerbi, and plenty of downside. Its madness to suggest sacking Arteta for De Zerbi. De Zerbi is the flavour of the month manager. His Brighton teams sit in the league similar to where Potter had them.

Its best to stick with Arteta. I mean FFS when he first joined we were miles off anything. He got rid of the dwellers and got us into a position where we are talking about the PL or CL. Therefore, if we are going to sack him, his replacement needs to be a proper manager with serious pedigree. If we sacked Arteta and finished next season in 7th place under Roberto De Dopi, dont blame me.

I think the correct word is revisionist - someone who examines and tries to change existing beliefs about how events happened or what their importance or meaning is

The season before pep's cone boy took over Arsenal we finished 5th in premier league 1pt off top 4, and were runners up in the europa league - - he did that with a fractured dressing room under the influence of a few bad apples. He wasnt allowed throw out those bad apples and nor was he given a kings ransom to spend. The following season el basque came in and finished 8th in the league and won the covid fa cup, but since he got shot of those dwellers he hasnt come close to winning anything. He has bottled the run in for both of the last two seasons, and our record in the cups since that fa cup win is truly pathetic. Its funny that you slate de zerbi when comparing him to diet pep considering that last season we got 3pts from possible 6 from them so it isnt as if arteta shows him up in head to head - considering that el basque has spent close to 700m you would expect him to steam roller little old brighton if he is that good of a coach You talk about de zebi being unable to organise a team off the ball, but I dont see him playing his left back in midfield and allowing opposition teams run riot down that wing You call de zerbi flavour of the month and maybe he is (time will tell), but the reality is that for fools like you peps cone boy is flavour of the month living off a cup win three years ago, and if he hadnt won that covid cup the tide would have turned against him by now given how we are regressing and how he has frozen some good players out - I have no doubt that you will catch up in time, but when that time comes I will blame you for supporting a clueless numpty for years after you should have stopped

Agreed 100%. And that's without mentioning that pre-judging De Zerbi based on his past or current experiences at a tiny club, with no money, and mostly gash to average players, is the thinking of someone with no basic understanding of how football works.

Who is to say that Di Zerbi would not come in and be pragmatic, set us up with a proper organised midfield and defence, stop demotivating and making nervous both keepers, and use the bigger budget (or sell a couple of shit players) and buy the striker we've needed so badly for the last three or four seasons?

Equally he might not be up to the job. This childish fucking nonsense of US Wilson and a couple others of "we can only replace Merkin Head with some Godly proven football genius with twenty league titles" is the thinking of children ffs. You could put Baldy Pep in the job and there is no guarantee he'd succeed. You take a chance to some extent every time you appoint a new manager and unfounded fear of failure is a stupid excuse to fall back on rather than dismiss a proven failure of a manager.

Di Zerbi would not be my first choice necessarily but I'd give him a go just to be rid of Martinez-Lite and his aircraft hanger-filling ego and modern snowflake "intellectual" football psycobabble that has us weaker than we would be under a pragmatic manager that puts his team before his ego.

Im not willing to take risks that De Zerbi turns out to be good. If we were in 6th I would understand the talk of binning Arteta, but 3rd and 5 points off top is not sackable at all, espcially after last years 2nd place finish when everyone was saying we wouldnt get top 4. And yes, the next manager who comes in needs to be someone who you can say with a hgh degree of confidence would win the league. What's the point of sacking Arteta then if the argument against him he is cant make the final steps and climb from 2nd to 3rd.

[augie]

De Zerbi

Brighton have one of the worst records for goals conceded in the league. They have already conceded 33 this year, on track to concede more than the 53 they conceded last year. I always see teams pass right through Brighton. Could easily see De Zerbi mirroring Potters time at Chelsea. Thinking we are getting a top manager and in the end it goes to shit. We have one of the better defensive records, in fact its the second best in the league. And next year when De Zerbi who cant organize a team off the ball and has up shipping goals and we are down in 6th, then what?

The idea for sacking Arteta its too early for him to compete against veterans like Pep and Klopp. On what basis is De Zerbi the guy to better Klopp or Pep? Even more to the point, we run the risk of sliding down the league if De Zerbi turns into another Potter.

There is little upside to appointing De Zerbi, and plenty of downside. Its madness to suggest sacking Arteta for De Zerbi. De Zerbi is the flavour of the month manager. His Brighton teams sit in the league similar to where Potter had them.

Its best to stick with Arteta. I mean FFS when he first joined we were miles off anything. He got rid of the dwellers and got us into a position where we are talking about the PL or CL. Therefore, if we are going to sack him, his replacement needs to be a proper manager with serious pedigree. If we sacked Arteta and finished next season in 7th place under Roberto De Dopi, dont blame me.

I think the correct word is revisionist - someone who examines and tries to change existing beliefs about how events happened or what their importance or meaning is

The season before pep's cone boy took over Arsenal we finished 5th in premier league 1pt off top 4, and were runners up in the europa league - - he did that with a fractured dressing room under the influence of a few bad apples. He wasnt allowed throw out those bad apples and nor was he given a kings ransom to spend. The following season el basque came in and finished 8th in the league and won the covid fa cup, but since he got shot of those dwellers he hasnt come close to winning anything. He has bottled the run in for both of the last two seasons, and our record in the cups since that fa cup win is truly pathetic. Its funny that you slate de zerbi when comparing him to diet pep considering that last season we got 3pts from possible 6 from them so it isnt as if arteta shows him up in head to head - considering that el basque has spent close to 700m you would expect him to steam roller little old brighton if he is that good of a coach You talk about de zebi being unable to organise a team off the ball, but I dont see him playing his left back in midfield and allowing opposition teams run riot down that wing You call de zerbi flavour of the month and maybe he is (time will tell), but the reality is that for fools like you peps cone boy is flavour of the month living off a cup win three years ago, and if he hadnt won that covid cup the tide would have turned against him by now given how we are regressing and how he has frozen some good players out - I have no doubt that you will catch up in time, but when that time comes I will blame you for supporting a clueless numpty for years after you should have stopped

Agreed 100%. And that's without mentioning that pre-judging De Zerbi based on his past or current experiences at a tiny club, with no money, and mostly gash to average players, is the thinking of someone with no basic understanding of how football works.

Who is to say that Di Zerbi would not come in and be pragmatic, set us up with a proper organised midfield and defence, stop demotivating and making nervous both keepers, and use the bigger budget (or sell a couple of shit players) and buy the striker we've needed so badly for the last three or four seasons?

Equally he might not be up to the job. This childish fucking nonsense of US Wilson and a couple others of "we can only replace Merkin Head with some Godly proven football genius with twenty league titles" is the thinking of children ffs. You could put Baldy Pep in the job and there is no guarantee he'd succeed. You take a chance to some extent every time you appoint a new manager and unfounded fear of failure is a stupid excuse to fall back on rather than dismiss a proven failure of a manager.

Di Zerbi would not be my first choice necessarily but I'd give him a go just to be rid of Martinez-Lite and his aircraft hanger-filling ego and modern snowflake "intellectual" football psycobabble that has us weaker than we would be under a pragmatic manager that puts his team before his ego.

Wasting our time trying to reason with this guy methinks - last 3 managers to win leagues with The Arsenal were unproven when appointed, and he is stressing the need for proven manager whilst completely ignoring the fact that pep's cone boy hadnt even managed a childs football team before getting the job

[Nick Nack]

Arteta’s contract extension not far away now ,will be announced anon

Rewarding failure- apalling

It's all part of the Process of the Project Rob.

They can fuck right off.
This will be the place for the MOB (Mikel Out Brigade)
It will be like the old days - hatred between fans, shite football, trust the process whilst all the decent players leave.

Saka, Martinelli, Gabriel, Odegaard, Saliba all signed extensions in the last 12 months. Rice signed for 105m

This is the complete opposite of what you said

This may come as a surprise to you, but player contracts in the modern age mean the sum total of fuck all. If a player wants out he will force a move and fuck off. We have been fucked over more than once.
I hope you are not so naive to think because players have signed contract extensions they are committed to see their contracts out?
If say R Madrid come calling for Saliba with enhanced wages and the chance to win the champions league, do you think he will hang about hoping Diet Pep will come good? You know that ain't gonna happen because so far there is little to suggest he is capable of delivering.
And, you know what, except for Saliba none of the players mentioned are irreplaceable, there are better in their respective positions in the Premier league.

[IW8Goalmachine]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... eason-ends

Perfect for Arteta

[OneBardGooner]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... eason-ends

Perfect for Arteta

They were his boyhood club so why not!? Then Xavi to manage the scousers

[Retro Gunner]

De Zerbi

Brighton have one of the worst records for goals conceded in the league. They have already conceded 33 this year, on track to concede more than the 53 they conceded last year. I always see teams pass right through Brighton. Could easily see De Zerbi mirroring Potters time at Chelsea. Thinking we are getting a top manager and in the end it goes to shit. We have one of the better defensive records, in fact its the second best in the league. And next year when De Zerbi who cant organize a team off the ball and has up shipping goals and we are down in 6th, then what?

The idea for sacking Arteta its too early for him to compete against veterans like Pep and Klopp. On what basis is De Zerbi the guy to better Klopp or Pep? Even more to the point, we run the risk of sliding down the league if De Zerbi turns into another Potter.

There is little upside to appointing De Zerbi, and plenty of downside. Its madness to suggest sacking Arteta for De Zerbi. De Zerbi is the flavour of the month manager. His Brighton teams sit in the league similar to where Potter had them.

Its best to stick with Arteta. I mean FFS when he first joined we were miles off anything. He got rid of the dwellers and got us into a position where we are talking about the PL or CL. Therefore, if we are going to sack him, his replacement needs to be a proper manager with serious pedigree. If we sacked Arteta and finished next season in 7th place under Roberto De Dopi, dont blame me.

I think the correct word is revisionist - someone who examines and tries to change existing beliefs about how events happened or what their importance or meaning is

The season before pep's cone boy took over Arsenal we finished 5th in premier league 1pt off top 4, and were runners up in the europa league - - he did that with a fractured dressing room under the influence of a few bad apples. He wasnt allowed throw out those bad apples and nor was he given a kings ransom to spend. The following season el basque came in and finished 8th in the league and won the covid fa cup, but since he got shot of those dwellers he hasnt come close to winning anything. He has bottled the run in for both of the last two seasons, and our record in the cups since that fa cup win is truly pathetic. Its funny that you slate de zerbi when comparing him to diet pep considering that last season we got 3pts from possible 6 from them so it isnt as if arteta shows him up in head to head - considering that el basque has spent close to 700m you would expect him to steam roller little old brighton if he is that good of a coach You talk about de zebi being unable to organise a team off the ball, but I dont see him playing his left back in midfield and allowing opposition teams run riot down that wing You call de zerbi flavour of the month and maybe he is (time will tell), but the reality is that for fools like you peps cone boy is flavour of the month living off a cup win three years ago, and if he hadnt won that covid cup the tide would have turned against him by now given how we are regressing and how he has frozen some good players out - I have no doubt that you will catch up in time, but when that time comes I will blame you for supporting a clueless numpty for years after you should have stopped

Agreed 100%. And that's without mentioning that pre-judging De Zerbi based on his past or current experiences at a tiny club, with no money, and mostly gash to average players, is the thinking of someone with no basic understanding of how football works.

Who is to say that Di Zerbi would not come in and be pragmatic, set us up with a proper organised midfield and defence, stop demotivating and making nervous both keepers, and use the bigger budget (or sell a couple of shit players) and buy the striker we've needed so badly for the last three or four seasons?

Equally he might not be up to the job. This childish fucking nonsense of US Wilson and a couple others of "we can only replace Merkin Head with some Godly proven football genius with twenty league titles" is the thinking of children ffs. You could put Baldy Pep in the job and there is no guarantee he'd succeed. You take a chance to some extent every time you appoint a new manager and unfounded fear of failure is a stupid excuse to fall back on rather than dismiss a proven failure of a manager.

Di Zerbi would not be my first choice necessarily but I'd give him a go just to be rid of Martinez-Lite and his aircraft hanger-filling ego and modern snowflake "intellectual" football psycobabble that has us weaker than we would be under a pragmatic manager that puts his team before his ego.

Im not willing to take risks that De Zerbi turns out to be good. If we were in 6th I would understand the talk of binning Arteta, but 3rd and 5 points off top is not sackable at all, espcially after last years 2nd place finish when everyone was saying we wouldnt get top 4. And yes, the next manager who comes in needs to be someone who you can say with a hgh degree of confidence would win the league. What's the point of sacking Arteta then if the argument against him he is cant make the final steps and climb from 2nd to 3rd.

Augie and DB bang on the money here.

Wilson, why are you not willing to take a risk on replacing Arteta? It can only be because you think he'll lead us to glory, otherwise where's the risk. Well, it's all about opinions, but i fear that you are going to be sorely disappointed. Arteta has had over 4 years and spent in the region of 700 million to achieve what exactly? One FA Cup win almost 4 years ago, followed by a disastrous and embarrassing cup record since...both domestic and European.

Last season was the only occasion where we performed well in the league, but even that saw the wheels come off in an inevitable and dramatic end of season collapse. I never thought we'd win the league, so was uncharacteristically optimistic that El Basque might be proving me wrong and that we could build on progress and make a good fist of things this season. He then blows a lot of money in the summer, but not only does he not buy the striker that the whole world can see we need, but he spends £65 million on Kai fucking Havertz and pays him 300 k per week!

So, this season we've clearly regressed and that is inexcusable and is completely on Arteta. This is his team and he's been indulged by the owners and allowed to set up his project and been gifted a king's ransom to do so. He has nowhere to hide and no one else to blame. Frankly I don't give a fuck about finishing 3rd or 4th simply to qualify for a competition that my local pub side has as much chance of winning. I had a fucking basin full of tolerating a hopeless nothingness during Wenger's last 12 years and I'm fucked if I'm prepared to put up with that again. It won't be long before Arteta is telling us that 4th place is a trophy and the likes of you are cheering that.

During that last decade under the Old Fraud we continuously heard exactly the argument you're making here..."who else is available...who could do a better job...there's no one else out there...why take a risk" and on and on and on. During that time we were linked (apparently) with both Pep and especially Klopp, but I suppose it was too risky to offload the French dud? How has that worked out? Those managers are now the very ones that you're holding up as the type that are elite and aren't available.

The time always arrives when you have to take a risk (without guarantees, as DB says), or stick with the under achieving devil you know, who is sucking the very soul out of you. Top clubs make the brave decision, because they are winners. Also rans stick with mind numbing mediocrity. I fear that the Kroenkes will repeat their mistake with Wenger and will keep Legohead in place for a minimum of 2-3 underachieving years and possibly longer. If he gets CL qualification, I'm afraid that will be enough for the owners. After all, Stan told us that you don't buy a football club to win trophies.

[rodders999]

Bit of chatter on twatter that he’s off at the end of the season.

Complete bullshit started by the Barca DNA brigade.

[A11M11]

Picked up by the Daily Express as well.

Mikel Arteta 'tells friends he wants to terminate Arsenal contract and club may agree'

[mcdowell42]

Sky Sports News has been told Mikel Arteta is going nowhere, with reports in Spain linking him to the Barcelona job

[wilson2.0]

I do believe Arteta can win the PL or CL. "he has had 4 years and spent 700m'. Yeah, and he has turned us form banter era 8th to a team capable of winning the league. Have mistakes been made, of course. But dont try and tell me our chances of winning the league are higher under De Zerbi than Arteta.

I actually think the Arteta hate is irrational. Ill prove it........who here would want Arteta out on the condition his replacement is Graham Potter.

[OneBardGooner]

I do believe Arteta can win the PL or CL. "he has had 4 years and spent 700m'. Yeah, and he has turned us form banter era 8th to a team capable of winning the league. Have mistakes been made, of course. But dont try and tell me our chances of winning the league are higher under De Zerbi than Arteta.

I actually think the Arteta hate is irrational. Ill prove it........who here would want Arteta out on the condition his replacement is Graham Potter.

That's the same as saying who would want Arteta out on the condition that (pick your own choice of name here) could replace him. Why on earth Why on earth would you want Potter in charge? Or did you mean Harry Potter ???

[wilson2.0]

I do believe Arteta can win the PL or CL. "he has had 4 years and spent 700m'. Yeah, and he has turned us form banter era 8th to a team capable of winning the league. Have mistakes been made, of course. But dont try and tell me our chances of winning the league are higher under De Zerbi than Arteta.

I actually think the Arteta hate is irrational. Ill prove it........who here would want Arteta out on the condition his replacement is Graham Potter.

That's the same as saying who would want Arteta out on the condition that (pick your own choice of name here) could replace him. Why on earth Why on earth would you want Potter in charge? Or did you mean Harry Potter ???

Because everyone wants Arteta out without a clear replacement in mind. I dont think De Zerbi is better than Arteta. I think under De Zerbi we would have a lower floor and lower ceiling.

Im telling you, keeping with Arteta will pay dividends.

[Midz]

I do believe Arteta can win the PL or CL. "he has had 4 years and spent 700m'. Yeah, and he has turned us form banter era 8th to a team capable of winning the league. Have mistakes been made, of course. But dont try and tell me our chances of winning the league are higher under De Zerbi than Arteta.

I actually think the Arteta hate is irrational. Ill prove it........who here would want Arteta out on the condition his replacement is Graham Potter.

That's the same as saying who would want Arteta out on the condition that (pick your own choice of name here) could replace him. Why on earth Why on earth would you want Potter in charge? Or did you mean Harry Potter ???

Because everyone wants Arteta out without a clear replacement in mind. I dont think De Zerbi is better than Arteta. I think under De Zerbi we would have a lower floor and lower ceiling.

Im telling you, keeping with Arteta will pay dividends.

I believe this too.

[augie]

I do believe Arteta can win the PL or CL. "he has had 4 years and spent 700m'. Yeah, and he has turned us form banter era 8th to a team capable of winning the league. Have mistakes been made, of course. But dont try and tell me our chances of winning the league are higher under De Zerbi than Arteta.

I actually think the Arteta hate is irrational. Ill prove it........who here would want Arteta out on the condition his replacement is Graham Potter.

Again with your bu!!shit - I already pointed out to you that we finished FIFTH just 1pt off top 4 under emery the season before pep's cone boy took over - we actually finished 8th under this tool for his first two seasons in charge Fcuk all logic or facts to your arguments