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DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
I agree to an extent DB10, but US hasn't really hijacked the thread.

It was clearly stated on the ticket and in the pre-flight announcements that this plane was heading for boardsville.

:lol: :wink:

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marcengels wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
I agree to an extent DB10, but US hasn't really hijacked the thread.

It was clearly stated on the ticket and in the pre-flight announcements that this plane was heading for boardsville.

:lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree he didnt hijack the thread but Martin your arguments, however good or bad they may be, are falling on deaf ears now mate time to give it a rest. Also i dont think Martin should be abused on here either. If you dont want to chat about the board ignore the posts

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flash gunner wrote:
marcengels wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
I agree to an extent DB10, but US hasn't really hijacked the thread.

It was clearly stated on the ticket and in the pre-flight announcements that this plane was heading for boardsville.

:lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree he didnt hijack the thread but Martin your arguments, however good or bad they may be, are falling on deaf ears now mate time to give it a rest. Also i dont think Martin should be abused on here either. If you dont want to chat about the board ignore the posts
Was refering to numerous other threads that were hijacked.

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DB10GOONER wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
marcengels wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
I agree to an extent DB10, but US hasn't really hijacked the thread.

It was clearly stated on the ticket and in the pre-flight announcements that this plane was heading for boardsville.

:lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree he didnt hijack the thread but Martin your arguments, however good or bad they may be, are falling on deaf ears now mate time to give it a rest. Also i dont think Martin should be abused on here either. If you dont want to chat about the board ignore the posts
Was refering to numerous other threads that were hijacked.
Yeah, fair enough mate. I just think on this occasion people can't get on the plane, and then when they're in mid-air, disagree with the final destination. (I think I'm done with this :lol: )

:wink:

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marcengels wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:
flash gunner wrote:
marcengels wrote:
DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
I agree to an extent DB10, but US hasn't really hijacked the thread.

It was clearly stated on the ticket and in the pre-flight announcements that this plane was heading for boardsville.

:lol: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I agree he didnt hijack the thread but Martin your arguments, however good or bad they may be, are falling on deaf ears now mate time to give it a rest. Also i dont think Martin should be abused on here either. If you dont want to chat about the board ignore the posts
Was refering to numerous other threads that were hijacked.
Yeah, fair enough mate. I just think on this occasion people can't get on the plane, and then when they're in mid-air, disagree with the final destination. (I think I'm done with this :lol: )

:wink:
:lol:

And so close to... no, I'm not going there! :wink:

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I have not read one word of this thread but I already feel bored of it.

8)

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Percy Dalton wrote:I have not read one word of this thread but I already feel bored of it.

8)
It's got a bit more interesting after Iceman and USMartin stopped having their little tiff and other people got involved :wink: :)

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DB10GOONER wrote:Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.

USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. Alot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.

You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I'm leaving this open for a while so USMartin can respond if he wants to and anyone that wants to post an opinion can do so but will lock it later because it really is old ground.
Watch out, i made this exact point and got accused of trying to censor him.

It must be tinhats all round in USmartins house :wink:

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[quote="USMartin"]

No. That is they quite simply would allow themselves to say they werewilling to give him the money to buy the player but as they would never approve the wages unless the player willingly took a massive pay cut. Thus while they could say they would give him the money they know he won't ask because it will just be a waste of time and resources.

But it they can say they would make that money available still and enough Gooners will buy it.

This is not a yes or no question because the transfer fee is only half the story

Look at these comments - two transfer windows apart both by Arsene Wenger

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-story

Arsène Wenger says only 10 players in the world are beyond his pocket…he has sufficient funds to bring almost anyone to Emirates Stadium.

“..There are only a few players who have a price which we cannot reach - maybe 10 in the world but, for the rest, we have access to the market.â€

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DB10GOONER wrote: Christ. What a thread! :? :(

Lads, I know many of you find USMartin's posts annoying but can we hold back on the personal abuse a bit? He is a Gooner after all.
Cheers

DB10GOONER wrote: USMartin, mate, we've been here before. You can't hijack every thread with pages of huge ranting posts against the board. I know threads regularly get hijacked on here - but not containing the same message over and over! I defend your right (within reason) to post as you see fit, and I accept it is Arsenal-related, but a forum like this is a community and it is pretty rude to keep driving the same point into every thread over and over when you know it is annoying the majority of members. A lot of members come on here to have some fun, a bit of banter, discuss The Arsenal, but huge posts containing the same message can get very irritating.
Let me answer this by saying I agree in part. I should not hijack other threads if I can help it. I have largely stopped doing so. There is one very bad case where I did not and I replaced to another poster and we essentially made that our own thread though I’m sure that not either of our intent. No prizes for guessing whom it might be. I cannot promise I will never hijack another thread because I’m too honest to do that, but I have tried my very best to avoid doing that since that was discussed,

Where I do not agree is this notion that new threads opened by me devoted to the subject are somehow not cricket, especially the notion that the on their own disrupt the forum’s lighthearted banter and all that. If you don’t want to discuss something you don’t have to discuss it if you don’t want to read it you don’t have read it – unless of course a thread has in fact been hi-jacked. The idea that a thread you don’t have to open or read or respond to stops you from doing things – any things – that you planned doing is frankly a bit immature. Did the Us Martin is a Supervillain Thread lead me to demand action form the Mods because that was out of order and abusive to me? Check my reaction out there. Also did it stop me and Bren from continuing to have a serious honest discussion about the issues in this thread after that?

I understand and agree with the thread hi-jacking point – that is an absolutely valid concern. But complaining about the existence of new threads that don’t have to be opened or read by any forum members unless they choose to is really a bit beyond the pale, because we’re adults and none of has to read anything we don’t want or let the existence of a thought we don’t like ruin our ability to express thoughts we enjoy.

Go to the basement - some people set up a Petition to get rid of me. They did so a few days ago. This is the first time I have mentioned it to a mod. The only reason I even know what it is I opened the thread out of curiosity – by my choice and read the first post – again by my choice. Once I finished I paged back without reading another comment – again by my choice because I knew there was a possibility I might not like what I read and then get angry the way some on here get when they open my threads. That’s all I really have too say on the matter because frankly its their right to do that here, and if I don’t like it I shouldn’t deal with it really as it was not actually said to me in a discussion.

Otherwise its caveat emptor – and I would have gotten mad for opening something that I knew ahead of time really couldn’t have done anything but anger and offend me and whose fault is that - my own. We’re adults - no one is responsible for what we choose to do or how we react after choosing to do it but each of us. I won’t take responsibility for some posters lack of maturity making it impossible to cope with the existence of a thread they simply don’t want to see exist ruining the rest of their "fun time". I don’t want that petition aimed personally at me to exist but it does end of and if it disappeared today it would still have existed. No point in letting that ruin everything good and enjoyable about the forum or Arsenal or life for me. And that petition absolutely should remain up
. I just will avoid any further anything on it.

I'll stop for now...sorry to go on.

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DB10GOONER wrote: You must realise by now that we get the message. You have done everything you can to spread the word on something you obviously care alot about. I think you need to ease off on it now. You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it? You are an intelligent and witty bloke, try posting on some other (lighter) subjects, you might actually enjoy it!

I’ll start at the end – I post plenty of non-Board comments in non-Board threads – look it up.
I happen to be more concerned about these issues than I am about tit threads. I can’t lie I do try to play along and I do in fact, but sometimes things happen – events happen I mean that dictate re-visiting these issues I am focused on. When that happens – like On Wednesday - that’s what I do.

I will note one thing though. Before I ever posted there were already snarky posts about me and my views before I ever posted a thing. I could have ignored them – I chose not to. I am responsible for choosing to reply. But if they did not want me to reply they should not have risked inviting a reply either by effectively calling me by name..

But precisely because I was about to hi-jack those other threads I opened a new thread of my own which of course proved that all I do is keep opening new threads. Talk about damned if you do, damned if you don’t?

But what happened with Theo illustrates a key point – a protocol about how and when to discuss matters is just unrealistic as real-time drives this forum and new events daily can and do shape what we are thinking and feeling and concerned about. How silly is it to say if reports pop up that the Board were ready to sell to bunch of homeless blokes who somehow got a 500 million pound loan that we can’t discuss this its been done to death already?

A silly example but I think the point is clear. Whatever you think or whoever you believe to be responsible for the current goings-on, you can’t simply set up some timetable for where when and how these issues can be discussed because the real world is going to intrude.

And I’m not sure we really get this – because there are a lot of people for various reasons who seem to be really concerned but not willing – as is their right – to sign the petition. And there is nothing that will change for the better by any of us doing nothing. And for those waiting for when the supporter base will ready to do something, all that guarantees is the situation getting even worse first – perhaps much worse.

Should we really wait for that because that might be easier to do? Should we do nothing because we might not succeed? Five years ago I was warning people that at best we’d be right where we are now and got the same reactions I am getting now. So what does that say? That we should continue to say and do nothing and wait to see what happens another five years on? And another? And Another? Until we’re s***s now and they’re us in 1998-2005? And those who brought us are all just even more rich at our expense?

It may be a pain in the ass to read what I say or even to know I’m actually saying it, but it’s a bigger pain in the ass to see hopes and dreams dashed over and over year after year the same way for the same reasons isn’t it?

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By the way that you for that compliment earlier about me being intelligent and iwtty though some here obviousltuy would disagree on some of that at least :lol:
DB10GOONER wrote: You have the petition up and running, we are all very aware of your viewpoint on the board, how much further can you take it?
That;'s the real irony in all this. I don't if you basemented thta thread but if you read it its pretty clear I had posted a link to the petition last tuesady and just replied a to a single question between then and this monday when several posters opposed to my views or how I present them decided to come over and hi-jack my thread. I could have ignored them and the thread probably wouldn't have been basemented but I'll be damened especially given the legitimate complaints about me hi-jacking threads if was gonns just sit there and let the crap go on just on principle.

But had they left things alone instead of going out of their to hi jack my thread and to seek a confrontation with me basically I would have been done till the winter window unless something happened that exposed the impact of these policies again - as with Theo's injury. There was little or no reason to continue from that point - again unless events dictated otherwise. The only reason that thread blew up is because they weren't content to leave well enough alone, and one they did that I wasn't going to just let that happen. I freely admit my responsibility for what happened in their but it never would have happened had they bahaved like grownups and just avoided the thread.

The internet is a market place of ideas and you don't have to buy mine. But this wasn't a case of not buying my ldeas and going to another shop, this was more a case of telling me to take my shop out of their neighborhood market and sell my ideas somewhere else in effect. I'm not sure they intended it that way but that is sure how that behavior looks.

And again here was the entire post that set this off
Not even one word from me, let alone another diatribe let alone the same old diatribe. Could I have ignored them - yes, and I would have had they opened their own "USMartin Shut The Fuck You *word censored*" thread because they have every right to do that and If I open it up and it ruins my day it's on me because what else would I expect? But they hijacked my thread and called me out on it .

Otherwise while events or new information might have dictated re-visting thiese issues again periodically there really was no reason to continue addressing it regularly. Too late for that that now - I mean for there to be a chance to let things simmer a bit on their own I guess....

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[quote="northbankbren"][quote="USMartin"]

No. That is they quite simply would allow themselves to say they werewilling to give him the money to buy the player but as they would never approve the wages unless the player willingly took a massive pay cut. Thus while they could say they would give him the money they know he won't ask because it will just be a waste of time and resources.

But it they can say they would make that money available still and enough Gooners will buy it.

This is not a yes or no question because the transfer fee is only half the story

Look at these comments - two transfer windows apart both by Arsene Wenger

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-story

Arsène Wenger says only 10 players in the world are beyond his pocket…he has sufficient funds to bring almost anyone to Emirates Stadium.

“..There are only a few players who have a price which we cannot reach - maybe 10 in the world but, for the rest, we have access to the market.â€

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Post by northbankbren »

None of that mentions the fact that Cashley had already held illegal talks with chelski.....this may have something to do with him being let go.

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Percy Dalton wrote:I have not read one word of this thread but I already feel bored of it.

8)
Similar, here. I ignore what USM writes........and just read the responses 8)

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