USMartin wrote:Finally maybe the problem wioth the petition is supporters like you who just don't want to sign because well, they won't do anything anyway or whatever. As I have said before if we do say siomething it may not matter. But if we don't we know it won't matter. And maybe if if we won't this as much as we deserve then. Maybe we don't really want things to be better for the football club after all. Maybe we're at fault if we end mid-table or worse and sold to debt-leveraged owner ship then.
You want to attack me for not doing enough to get more people on this petition when people who shares the same concerns I do here would just rather not sign a petition for whatever reason. Maybe its people like you whio are the problem then. I'd rather think its simply that aren't enough signatures that is the problem. But if you want to put it down to me, fine, but where is your effort or action? Surely you could do a better job with this than I have apparently, except now iit seems you clearly don't want to try either. Who's that down to then?
That's a clever response Martin, designed to switch the focus from you to me, however, as I'm sure we both know, you're totally missing the point.
My point was that, having made the effort to publish a petition (and well done for that sir!

) you don't appear to have made much progress - in fact, 12 signatures in around 2 months is very poor, and suggests that perhaps your heart really isn't in it?
I know you like debating, and I can see your battle with Quartz has taken up a lot of time and effort, but you've certainly put
infinately more time in debating with Quartz, and others on here, than you have focusing on promoting your petition down appropraite channels, and I find that very odd and misguided.
The fact that you're averaging less than 2 signatures a week suggests that you need to start pushing your petition harder! - go to other forums (where perhaps you have a clean slate), put across your thoughts in a clear, concise and polite manner, then invite them to sign the petition. I also would push the
general point of the petition across instead of sharing your colourful views on the board and their intentions, as I'm not sure you're able to do so without seriously dividing opinion - and as that's not essential for this petition, I'd suggest you ease off a little bit!
Also, how about a website? or a facebook group? - something that allows people to join your campaign, learn more about your petition, and perhaps even contribute themselves? Also, perhaps even a letter in the fanzines? or try and get a supporters group onside?
I don't know, but there must surely be MANY avenues you've not explored - and considering the passion you obviously feel for this campaign, it just strikes me as odd that it hasn't progressed and appears to have stalled and stagnated
Take some of that energy and passion you use on the forum, and re-focus it on promoting your petition, and I'm sure you'll see plenty more signatures added to the dozen you've managed so far. A little tolerance and diplomacy wouldn't go amiss either - in truth, it's your conduct on the forum that makes me hesitate to sign, but my position remains open.