Are Spurs fans allowed to sing what they want??

GoonerBen · Post by **GoonerBen** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:43 pm

just though id add my two pen'orth

im Jewish and a massive Gooner, occasionally i refer to spurs as the '****' and have never had a problem with people who do because as far as im concerned its a nickname to equal 'gooner'.

Added to that is the often quoted fact that the scum describe themselves as the '**** army'

however if someone called me a **** in a non-footballing context then i would definately take offence and consider it racist - however i also know that some non-spurs supporting Jews do take offence at their religion being linked with such a despicably scummy little club, anyway, thats just my opinion for what its worth

N17 Gooner · Post by **N17 Gooner** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:48 pm

GoonerBen wrote:just though id add my two pen'orth

im Jewish and a massive Gooner, occasionally i refer to spurs as the '****' and have never had a problem with people who do because as far as im concerned its a nickname to equal 'gooner'.

Added to that is the often quoted fact that the scum describe themselves as the '**** army'

however if someone called me a **** in a non-footballing context then i would definately take offence and consider it racist - however i also know that some non-spurs supporting Jews do take offence at their religion being linked with such a despicably scummy little club, anyway, thats just my opinion for what its worth

That's what i'd say my stance is (though I am not Jewish). i do not condone racially motivated hate at all. Though i use the word ****, I would never make reference to the holocaust. Never. But I don't like this hair splitting over the issue.

After all, should jokes about Scotland and Wales be banned considering the atrocities that came to them with English dominance?

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:48 pm

GoonerBen wrote:just though id add my two pen'orth

im Jewish and a massive Gooner, occasionally i refer to spurs as the '****' and have never had a problem with people who do because as far as im concerned its a nickname to equal 'gooner'.

Well it isn't the equal of Gooner because Gooner is not a racial term

Added to that is the often quoted fact that the scum describe themselves as the '**** army'

Another one done to death.

Most Spurs fans are not Jewish and whether they consider the term offensive or not is about as relevant as whether Al Jolson considers the word 'nigger' offensive. [/quote]

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:53 pm

After all, should jokes about Scotland and Wales be banned considering the atrocities that came to them with English dominance?

Well no it isn't the same

Scotland consented to English dominance with the act of Union in 1707 that merged both monarchies.

And neither the Scots or Welsh have had pseudo scientific theories of biological inferiority to the English, as the Jews have had in relatively recent times in a historical context.

And you also mention the gravity of the holocaust - English dominance over the Scots or Welsh never resulted in a comparable level of industrial slaughter.

stearmaster · Post by **stearmaster** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:55 pm

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GoonerBen · Post by **GoonerBen** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:56 pm

Cus Geezer wrote:
GoonerBen wrote:just though id add my two pen'orth

im Jewish and a massive Gooner, occasionally i refer to spurs as the '****' and have never had a problem with people who do because as far as im concerned its a nickname to equal 'gooner'.

Well it isn't the equal of Gooner because Gooner is not a racial term

that was my point - when used in a footballing/spurs context i dont consider it a racial term, hence it being the equal of Gooner and just a nickname

augie · Post by **augie** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:57 pm

Please please please dont start cus off on a rant on this issue all over again As he said himself this issue was done to death some time back(and I mean done to the very death) so personally I would rather we let sleeping dogs lie on this

Post by **SPUDMASHER** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:58 pm

Cus, I don't think he's gonna get it you know.

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:58 pm

N17 Gooner · Post by **N17 Gooner** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:01 pm

augie wrote:Please please please dont start cus off on a rant on this issue all over again As he said himself this issue was done to death some time back(and I mean done to the very death) so personally I would rather we let sleeping dogs lie on this

Not that I intended to. But is not officially a banned word and I see no problem in using it evey now and then.

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:02 pm

that was my point - when used in a footballing/spurs context i dont consider it a racial term, hence it being the equal of Gooner and just a nickname

Yeah but Ben it has not acquired a footbaling context in a social vacuum.

It only has a footballing context because of the racial make up of the area until about 30 years ago.

It would be like the word 'paki' attaining a footballing context today with regards to West Ham because of who lives in Upton Park

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:04 pm

Not that I intended to. But is not officially a banned word and I see no problem in using it evey now and then.

Well perhaps a little test case.

Go on Five Live and Talksport and refer to Spurs as the **** and see if they keep you on air.

GoonerPhill · Post by **GoonerPhill** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:04 pm

Yawn....!

Post by **REB** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:06 pm

cant use my little

for spu*s cus,, if its offensive then i will stop

Cus Geezer · Post by **Cus Geezer** » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:07 pm

GoonerPhill wrote:Yawn....!

I agree

Are Spurs fans allowed to sing what they want??

haha