Whats the point anymore, money's ruined everything.

SteveO 35 · Post by **SteveO 35** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:38 pm

Red Member wrote:
Babatunde wrote:Cesc has said it. Vieira has said it. RVP has said it. Even Diaby has said it. The problem, as a few posters have stated, is the complete lack of pressure at Arsenal and the biggest culprits are the fans. The players know they can deliver any half-arsed performance and there's no fear of consequences or a fan backlash.
Same goes for the pathetic manager who's all of a sudden safe in his job for victories against Wigan, Swansea, Norwich and WBA. Like the 8-2 never happened.

Excuses always being made.

In 2006 it was luck.
In 2007 it was injuries.
In 2008 it was youth and Eduardo.
In 2009 it was refs.
In 2010 it was Abramovich.
In 2011 it's been Pat Rice and Nasri
Heading into 2012 the trend is continuing, with Citeh being the latest excuse!

Funny how those same excuse makers not once point the finger where it belongs, at the incompetent overpaid manager. If its as simplistic as money, how does that explain the numerous humblings to Stoke, Brum, WBA, Spuds, Blackburn?! When Basle and Norwich can go to OT and outplay Manure, how are Citeh responsible for an 8-2 drubbing?

If money has ruined football, then Arsenal have been one of the biggest culprits. In 2004 Abramovich spent over Â£100 mil on players. Arsenal still won the league. It's a pathetic excuse making attitude.

FFS Spuds are competing for the title whilst our fans are bitching about money - whilst maintaining a wage bill over Â£40 mil higher than Spuds and charging their fans 30% more!!!

Embarrassing

no Spurs are not competing for the title. Stop reading The Sun.
they have beaten us and that is about it this season.

they lost 5-1 at home to Man City
we lost 1-0 away to Man City

stop mentioning the 2-8 it is an irrelevance.
our season is still alive because we sacrificed that match for the CL.

You are rapidly becoming my hero with this WUMdom, Red. You're replacing the void that Monostich left behind

Ignore the worst league defeat in a century....its an irrelevance. Just classic stuff

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:17 pm

Gunner67. If you think Ramsey (not a Londoner, nor has he come up through the ranks) wouldn't be tempted by 150k pw at Citeh, then you are indeed a glass half full man and I suspect some of the others you mention would join him.

gunner67 · Post by **gunner67** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:46 pm

SpanishJoe wrote:Gunner67. If you think Ramsey (not a Londoner, nor has he come up through the ranks) wouldn't be tempted by 150k pw at Citeh, then you are indeed a glass half full man and I suspect some of the others you mention would join him.

He's British, and I never suggested he'd come through the ranks. You may well be correct about the 150k pw, but personally I don't think he'd flirt with them like Vieira, Henry etc would.
Look at Adams, Bould, Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn; they played as well as they did cos they were Gunners through and through! We should have invested in British youth for whom playing for the Arsenal is seen as an honour rather than a fat pay packet.

TomÃ¡Å¡ · Post by **TomÃ¡Å¡** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:21 pm

Dear Gunners,
Super interesting thread, also kind of a sad one, how money has ruined the game of football.
Question how did it happened and more important what can be done to change it.

Trying to give my input.
1. Historically: How and when did the game of football change? I think around the seventies everything was somehow still in control. Players have not changed clubs so often, salary was not so high compare to an average working bloke, ticket prices reasonable, TV money not really there, commercials money low. Still there have been some clubs with advantages. For example Bayern Munich in Germany, the ground was build new for the Olympics 1972 with government money or the Borussia Dortmund ground 1974 was built new for the world cup 1974. I think you will find couple of these examples European wide.
The madness started probably around the eighties. Players were drafted from other teams with more money, salary went up. I remember that the English league had been one of the first were private pay TV came in. When was that? Definitely a turning ground. I remember that all of the sudden so much money came into the English, Spanish and Italian market. In England then you also had teams which went public, even more money was generated. So more and more players went to play for the finical strong teams. For example Rosicky and Lehmann from Dortmund went to Arsenal because simply they just could earn more. Then the next big mistake happened. Because the big teams in England, Spain, Italy and some German teams were so good and needed so much money the UEFA created the champions league. Basically a big money generating machine. Before the competition in Europe had been: The champions from each country (and of course only ONE), the cup winner and some runners up. Now it was the best 4 from Spain, the best 4 from England, the best 4 from Italy, the best two from Germany, and then the rest of Europe. But what does it mean a team for example from Italy? It means that when Inter Milan won it NO Italian player was in the starting squad! It means when Arsenal London is playing sometimes English players are hard to find in the starting squad. It means when Real Madrid is playing you have one player on the pitch which costs more than the entire budget of a normal league team.

A big blow to it was of course the Bosman ruling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosman_ruling which makes total sense but clubs did not solve the issues of transfers, they just paying.

2. Current situation: Especially in England you have the situation that due to the market penetration (Asia for example) the league is a worldwide product. So now you have Russian billionaires, Arabic sheik, American shareholders and other money gamblers which are coming in and just taking clubs over. They are floating the club in best case with a lot of money or maybe the almost bankrupt the club. However, now you have even more money in the market and they all want quick success. So the clubs are buying players for ridicules prices and paying them ridicules wages.

3. Outlook: I think we need:
a. Salary cup
b. Transfer fee cap
c. A rule that says that for example so and so many players have to come direct from the youth team of the club. That would not allow a team like Man City just to buy players. Also a club then has to fulfill his duties in developing talents.
d. A certain amount that an Investor can invest. Goes toward the financial fair play, which I think will not work how it is setup.
e. A new European league competition: Only the champs play Champions league, runners up play European league
f. TV money has to be distributed more equal within the clubs
g. Etc.

Will that happen? Of course not and so the bubble will continue to grow and maybe at one lucky day for us all it will explode.

BYW,
Thomas

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:27 pm

TomÃ¡Å¡ wrote:Dear Gunners,

3. Outlook:I think we need:
a. Salary cup
b. Transfer fee cap
c. A rule that says that for example so and so many players have to come direct from the youth team of the club. That would not allow a team like Man City just to buy players. Also a club then has to fulfill his duties in developing talents.
d. A certain amount that an Investor can invest. Goes toward the financial fair play, which I think will not work how it is setup.
e. A new European league competition: Only the champs play Champions league, runners up play European league
f. TV money has to be distributed more equal within the clubs
g. Etc.

Will that happen? Of course not and so the bubble will continue to grow and maybe at one lucky day for us all it will explode.

BYW,
Thomas

Tomaz, there's already too many games being played without bring in yet another cup competition!!!

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee · Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:27 pm

salary caps are not the answer.

TomÃ¡Å¡ · Post by **TomÃ¡Å¡** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:48 pm

Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:salary caps are not the answer.

Guys

I've put down seven points...of course is a salary cap

a piece of the puzzle...why should it not be?

franksav63 · Post by **franksav63** » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:49 pm

TomÃ¡Å¡ wrote:
Yankee_Gooner_Dandee wrote:salary caps are not the answer.
Guys

I've put down seven points...of course is a salary cap a piece of the puzzle...why should it not be?

Straight over his head...

SpanishJoe · Post by **SpanishJoe** » Wed Dec 21, 2011 8:08 am

The latest obscene outpouring from Mancini is to say that he hopes Wayne Bridge leaves in January.
This would be the player that city signed for millions, agreed a very large contract with, presumably told he was an important part of the club's future being asked to 'fuck off because we don't want you any more'.

I hope the squad numberless Bridge continues training with the reserves, collecting his 80k a week and each week waves his wad at the manager and Board.