Red Gunner wrote:Not sure about that...QuartzGooner wrote:It is all semantics.
Spurs have only won the league twice.
That is enough to show how far below us they are.
11 Reasons why Spurs are bigger than Arsenal
1. Tottenham have won a major trophy in each of the last full decades dating back to the 1950s (only Man U can equal this).
2. Tottenham were the first London club to win the FA Cup in 1901 and when were still the only London club to have won it, when we lifted it again 20 years later. Indeed it took until 1930 for Arsenal to finally capture the cup, for what was to be their first major trophy, some 44 years after they had been formed (it took us just 19 years after our formation to lift our first trophy by comparison).
3. Tottenham were the first London club to win a European trophy (indeed first British club).
4. Tottenham have won three UEFA European trophies, Arsenal just the one.
5. Tottenham were the first London side to win the double in 60’61, doing it in style, unlike the anti-football of Arsenal ten years later. At the time, we had most points, most goals, most points and most wins. We still hold most wins in top flight from this memorable season as well as most wins from start season in the top flight. By contrast Arsenal did not even score the most goals of that particular campaign when they sneaked their way to the double in 70’71.
6. Tottenham record’s transfer fee paid (as of August 27th at least) is £25.8 million, Arsenal’s just £15 million.
7. Tottenham’s record attendance 75038, Arsenal’s 73707.
8. Arsenal recorded just 4,554 supporters in a top flight match v Leeds in 1966, just four months later Tottenham recorded 43,844 in the equivalent fixture, nearly ten times as many fans, watching the same opposition in the same completion, when our grounds were of very similar size.
9. Since the war, six times Tottenham have been the best supported club in England, Arsenal just twice (Tottenham were even the best supported in the country as a second division side – once again showing that even when the chips are down Spurs supporters turn out in droves).
10. Tottenham’s lowest ever average league crowd 13,370, Arsenal’s 4,460 (indeed 14 seasons in total Arsenal have averaged worse crowds than Tottenham’s lowest).
11. Tottenham have provided 70 representatives for the national side (the second highest of all time, just one player behind Villa), Arsenal have provided just 57.
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Just to make sure everything's in context...
7. Highbury never held 75,000 so bit difficult to reach that figure (73707 was against Lens at Wembley anyway)
8. Everybody knows that end-of-season irrelevant game was played in the pouring rain the same May night as Liverpool's Cup Winners Cup Final was being televised live. We actually averaged over 29,000 that season, not bad for a team that finished 14th. Tottenham obviously played them early the following season, with all to play for.
9. Not surprising our Middlesex historian chose only post-second world war stats, as entire-history figures tell a very different story. Whilst Tottenham have indeed been the nation's best supported club 6 times (all surrounding their 2 title wins), Arsenal have received that accolade 12 times. Tottenham did achieve the feat as a second tier club, but only in a season when they actually won the division, and when the top 3 First Division teams were Portsmouth, Wolves and Sunderland, none of whom have ever been England's best supported club. If you want a real 'support when the chips are down' story you need to look to 1925, when Arsenal were the best supported club despite finishing 20th, one place from relegation, and before we'd ever won anything of note.
10. Again our Home Counties friend has been rather economical with the truth, in that he fails to reveal that EVERY one of our 14 'lower than Tottenham's lowest' average attendance seasons were at Plumstead, before our 'move or die' relocation to Highbury. Indeed, since the playing field was levelled in 1913, the 3 lowest non-war average attendance figures have all belonged to Tottenham, 2 of which were achieved in Division one, the most recent (and lowest) being a mere 2 seasons after their last European trophy victory.
And if you know your history...
